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snowman4951

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Is it just me????
« on: April 12, 2005, 05:55:52 PM »
Is it just me or does it seem to be too many average bowlers averaging over 200+. This year alone I've seen 170-180 bowlers averaging over 200.People that can't hit their marks more than twice a game now have the ability of having a 10-15 board area.I'm not player hating it just seems weird.Could it be an easier shot? Could it be the strength of ball? It has become a joke in the houses that I bowl to shoot a 300.Last week a guy bowled 170-89-300 wtf? The scratch bowlers that I bowl with don't even congradulate you unless you shoot an 800.I wish a shot was put out that would force you to hit your mark.I bowled in a tournament with the 170-180 bowlers who are now up in the 200's and they couldn't hit at all.They put a 45ft heavy oil flat shot out there.Man the laughs I had.Is it just me,am I the only one seeing this?I mean if they can "Tiger proof" a golf course,couldn't they do something in bowling.I hope I don't upset anyone with this.In the early days it was something to average 190 now everybody and their mother averages over 200.
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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2005, 02:03:44 AM »
Just fired up the car, I'm on my way, email address so I can get there.

I've been hitting mark for five years, several 25 pocket hit streaks with no 300s.

My phone # is XXX want a 300!

Please call as I am speeding your way.

My two centers I bowl at have one 300 at each center by a lefty in 3 years!

Thats 6 years of bowling two 300s here I come!

rEgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2005, 07:52:02 AM »
As much as I agree w/ the vast number of bowlers averaging well over 200, you have to remember that houses purposely put out easy shots for a reason. So people can bowl well and feel good about it.

Ask yourself this question - If you are a once a week bowler and the house puts out the World Team Challenge shot and you average 140 every week; are you going to come back? Simple answer, no.

I look at this way: I never take averages to heart. If some schlub dumps the ball on 5 board and averages 225, good for him. I usually see that person average about 170 in State Tournaments. When it comes to brass tacks, its how much money you win in tournaments. Real talent will be recognized.

MichiganBowling

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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2005, 08:06:30 AM »
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Ask yourself this question - If you are a once a week bowler and the house puts out the World Team Challenge shot and you average 140 every week; are you going to come back? Simple answer, no.


Many 3 nights per week bowlers have now become 1 night per week bowlers BECAUSE of the ridiculous scoring conditions.  Simple answer no???  I'm sorry, but I don't see it that way.  The sanctioning bodies (ABC, WIBC, etc.) lose 1% of their membership every season, and this started in the late 1970's around the time that yes, urethane came out.  When technology started to rule, the game got easier, and people stopped bowling.

So why do people still think that the easy shot is what keeps people coming back?  I'll never understand this myth because it has yet to be proven!
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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2005, 08:11:03 AM »
Funny that the 140 bowler kept coming back 30 years ago but they started quitting in the 80’s when the scoring pace picked up.


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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2005, 08:47:35 AM »
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"Many 3 nights per week bowlers have now become 1 night per week bowlers BECAUSE of the ridiculous scoring conditions. Simple answer no??? I'm sorry, but I don't see it that way. The sanctioning bodies (ABC, WIBC, etc.) lose 1% of their membership every season, and this started in the late 1970's around the time that yes, urethane came out. When technology started to rule, the game got easier, and people stopped bowling."

I have to disagree. I think that a large part of the problem is that people simply don't have the time to bowl three nights a week. A lot of people cannot commit to a 35 week schedule because of their personal life, work, kids, etc.
I think that SOME people have quit because of the ridiculous scoring problems. Look at then versus now. Back in the 60s and 70s, people worked for 1 employer for 30 years, then retired. Now a days, a lot of people work for multiple employers.  


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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2005, 08:58:45 AM »
I think the bottom line is that the bowling centers make the majority of their money from leagues. You put down an easy shot, the league bowlers feel happy about their game and you profit. If you put down a challenging shot or something difficult, the bowlers WILL find somewhere else. I've seen it happen.
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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2005, 10:22:25 AM »
Typical Classic league for me(must bowl classic leagues because of average restrictions in most other leagues)$20 bowling
                                   $40 jackpots
                                   $40 brackets
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                                  $100
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                                  $300 per week

on THC all games must be 225 or better to carry brackets and 250 or better to cash jackpots.

I love bowling but $1200 a month is a big nut to crack.

I'm down to 1 night a week league and bowling pot games 3 nights a week.
It's just a matter of economics for me.

The big problem I see in handicap leagues is the average restrictions.They generally hold you to 210 0r under individual composit and 1000 team composit to enter.
You always find 3 or 4 super teams that have formed by putting the cream of the crop together averaging well over the cap dominating the league.To be competitive you must enter multiple teams and break them up after you establish or sand bag to gain handicap.

New team restrictions should be based on the highest established team average to be fair.This would give a true idea of the level of competition and eliminate the super team advantage.With level competition it's more difficult to sandbag on a routine basis.A 100% handicap would give the true 170-190 bowlers a competitive edge and keep the games interesting.

I don't think any bowler on any level wants to be a donater to a select few.I never begrudge a bowler of lesser ability a pot when I'm beaten.The fact is for that game they were the better bowler.I would not however pump $15 a week into a prize fund I, by league rules, have no real chance of sharing the majority of.
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Pinbuster

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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2005, 10:27:39 AM »
Rackattack – Surely you win some of the jackpots and/or brackets so you need to take that off your monthly total. Otherwise don’t get in and save yourself $80 a league.

The bowling would “only” be $240 the gambling habit is the rest.

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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2005, 11:07:47 AM »
Pin,
Your statement is true.The fact is I bowl as a second income and have for 30 years.The leagues I bowl in are money leagues (Sunday league pays out over $2000 weekly in pots and $4000 a half team) and the competition is high.I cashed $650 last night so the cost is offset.A three or four week slump will put me in the hole REAL quick though.

That part was personal to me and my point was league vs pot games.If I don't have a look in pot games I can pack it in and I'm out $20 bucks and linage cost as opposed to $100 league no matter what.

The second part of my answer was my take on league woes in general and meant as a general observation and not a personal one.

I hope you took into account both parts as I feel the second to be far more important than the first.
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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2005, 12:58:07 PM »
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I think the bottom line is that the bowling centers make the majority of their money from leagues. You put down an easy shot, the league bowlers feel happy about their game and you profit. If you put down a challenging shot or something difficult, the bowlers WILL find somewhere else. I've seen it happen.
 


Very true.  I saw this happen with a local tourney.  Guy put out 3 different flat patterns, move right every game so everyone shot on each pattern, and the 200+ guys wouldn't come back for the next one.  He goes back to putting out the "soft" condition and they all came back. Things that make you go Hmmmmm...
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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2005, 03:16:38 PM »
One thing that I love about topics like this is how easy it is to get a good discussion going.  This is proof that there are people out there who care about the sport.  This common thread among us is what brings us together in this online community and what at one time brought people to bowling centers in droves.  

The almighty dollar rules our lives today (as is probably necessary for survival) and our communities are falling apart.  To make bowling a great sport and a great communitiy once again means that we have to put the community before the dollar bill.  It is time for people to believe in something again.  The current model isn't working and is making people crazy.
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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2005, 03:26:03 PM »
OK, I'll admit it.  I am the absolute worst 210 average (or so..... 209,208,213 right now) and technology-helped bowler I know.  I love my house's shot.  I fluff the ball over 12 from 26 out to 6-8 and let it roll back.  I LOVE IT!!!  That's my A game.  There is a B game too.  As well as a C and D contingency plan.  

So maybe I'm justifying my bloated average based upon versatility.

But, you know what I love more?  Being -60 and knowing I've earned it on a sheet of oil.  Last time, it took me 16 frames to realize to take my thumb out and rev it up good instead of trying to throw it 4mph over the 7 board.  Very, very ugly, but effective.  Ends justify the means.  And that's what makes a very challenging shot fun.  Could it be that the "house pros" that don't come back for a second squad are either too dumb, obtuse, or stubborn to try plan C?  I love to watch their frustration.

I love the chess match that is the game of bowling.  A game against an invisible foe.  I love the walled up house shot, but hate it as well.
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MichiganBowling

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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2005, 03:38:43 PM »
Yes, I agree.  The best part of bowling is when there is a challenge.  Perhaps one lane isn't carrying so well.  Perhaps the two lanes are different.  But when money is involved with jackpots and everything, then we complain about how unfair it is that our pair sucks and the pair to the right of us is carrying much better.

These are valid complaints.  It's why I don't like the typical league format of bowl 3-games on one pair of lanes and lose money in the league even if you win 1st place.  I like the head to head competition of battling it out against another team/bowler, where we are all battling the same challenges (on the same pair).

The fun of the competition should be #1.  Winning a jackpot should be non-existent or at least secondary.  The sport is currently structured all wrong by placing emphasis in the wrong areas.
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Re: Is it just me????
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2005, 04:03:28 PM »
Come bowl at my house!!!  I averaged 183 this season and was 11th highest average out of about 80+/- bowlers on the board.  Only two were over 200...one bowled 87 of 108 games (207 ave.) the other bowled 24 of 108 games (209 ave.).  Only four others averaged over 190.  Nothing easy where I'm at...
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