Author Topic: Is it possible to bowl bad on a wall? (Read 4375 times)

A_P_K · « **on:** October 09, 2003, 07:33:14 AM »

I don't know, I must truly suck at this sport. My Thursday league is pumping out more oil than Saudi Arabia can each year, from 10-10, with the outsides SCORCHED from sunburn. The pattern was laid out for the REV CHALLENGED who couldn't handle the longer flatter oils.

I can do well on other shots, even bowl a tad under average, but this one shot in particular has drier heads, oil in the mid lanes, and fresh backends. You can count on one thing though is that it's nearly impossible to put it in the channel if you have hand. Just watch your ball go down the lane and make a three on its way to the pins.

When the oil carries down in the middle of the first game (normal?) it makes for a speed consistency nightmare, too fast you're leaving washouts, too slow you're chopping the beak.....or down right missing the headpin.

Tonight I used the XL and it worked well in getting to the pocket consistently, but the damn carry down brought my carry down.....as well as everyone else with hand.

Anyone out there know what to do when you stink and can't hit a wall because your natural release is still too strong for the shot?

No retarded comments.....if you want to be funny that's cool, as long as you got serious info to give me. This condition is really bringing my self confidence to the toilet.

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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

Edited on 10/10/2003 8:27 AM

A_P_K · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2003, 02:22:40 PM »

Yes Bob, a teammate of mine averages 225 in every house he bowls. Won a few tournaments here and there, with the State Singles championship being the best one I know of. He started the season averaging 700 for the first four weeks, once they changed the shot, he's averaging 620.

I'd consider him a power tweener, with a very control reach over the lanes. He can loft the ball over the dry heads with the greatest of ease, but the carrydown makes every shot pretty inconsistent in hit.

I'd say Sawbones, I'm with Jerry on this one, even though it's the smartest way to play this condition, I can't afford to give up on what power I do have already, when the carry is as terrible as it's been. (not only for me)

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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

T-GOD · « **Reply #17 on:** October 10, 2003, 02:41:12 PM »

I find it reprehensible that someone who has worked hard to develope a better and stronger release, should have to give up their power/advantage.

And I find it more disgusting that the lane conditions/lane man/bowling balls have given the same amount of power/advantage to bowlers who haven't learned and/or are incapable of learning to get on their own..!! =:^D

A_P_K · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2003, 02:52:29 PM »

This is more or less what the house said to some of the bowlers....before the word got passed around.

We had to change the shot because the people with little to no revs complained about the amount and how flat the oil was.

I understand there can be walls in league play......but damn buff the freakin oil out to the gutter!

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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

six pack · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2003, 08:11:06 PM »

this in my opinion is what makes bowling so great.just when you think you've got it down they change the rules and now it seems you are back to square 1 again.I tried fighting the lanes before with more hand,more ball,less hand less ball and so on and so forth.the only thing that works is to learn how to play the shot with adjustments You can make.more speed,more hand,less speed,less hand,etc.etc.balls don't make good bowlers,it's all up to you.sometimes I think some of these controll balls are almost as bad as hook in a box.I'm guilty of it too but I figure it's the bowler not the lanes.

T-GOD · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2003, 11:04:43 PM »

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Bowling owes me absolutely nothing and I am grateful for the time spent doing it. However I am way too competetive to continue dumbing down my game in order to compete with unskilled people that outscore me on a pretty regular basis.

I couldn't have said it better myself. It's nice to know that I'm not alone. Vote me in for the "Bowling Czar", in the October Bowlers Journal, and I'll bring you along as my right hand man..!! =:^D

T-GOD · « **Reply #21 on:** October 11, 2003, 11:05:40 AM »

X, if I'm the Czar of Bowling, and you're my right hand man, you will definitely have a job to do and get paid to do it.

We're going to have to re-train everybody in the industry with a new philosophy. There's gonna be new products to design, as far as lane machines, oils, lane finishes and new lanes. We'll need to set up a industry wide coaching program, as well as an industry wide handicap system.

You see, there's a lot of work to be done, and this is just the beginning, because there's more. So, get a copy of the Bowlers Journal and write my name in, T-GOD and send it. =:^D

bass · « **Reply #22 on:** October 11, 2003, 11:20:31 AM »

If you are lucky enough to have more than one bowling center in a reasonable distance. You have some options;
If you do practice go to the other bowling centers.
Spend the bare minimum of time or money in the center.

This might be the only way you'll get the manager to come around to your point of view. Hitting them in there pocket book.

I've bowled in places you've described and it can be VERY frustrating.
So now I try and spend as little of time in there as possible.

A_P_K · « **Reply #23 on:** October 12, 2003, 05:57:55 PM »

Just a minor update with my practicing:

Worked on getting the ball way out to the five board, learning to trust my ball and myself. I played a small swing 23 with my slide foot out to the five board, using my control drilled Hercules. It started showing some promise but there's alot of speed issues I still need to iron out. Will update again after next week.

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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

A_P_K · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2003, 02:50:32 PM »

The backends start out fresh for at the maximum the first game only. Once the start of the second game oil is pushed back through the midlane. Although there is still enough backend to help the ball move, but if thrown too far out to compensate for the wall, most balls won't recover through what carrydown is there.

The reason why I chose the Hercules is because it is strong enough to power through the oil. I can get deep enough on the lane and keep it in whatever head oil's left, but don't get it out too early and it will still arc back into the pocket. Once it hits dry the Hercules turns left, nice and even, but very aggressive. I had the operator move the pin into the high flare area according to MoRich's website.

Yet, I haven't tried the Enforcer on this particular pattern, but I have used it here before the switch. I have gotten good results with it and will practice more. I'm assuming with the CG out I will get better control in and out of the oil.

I also have a Super Carbide (not bomb) laid out 4x2 that I haven't used before. I really only use this ball in tournaments, but I may have to take it out and see what it can do here.

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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

Edited on 10/13/2003 3:04 PM

Edited on 10/13/2003 3:07 PM

A_P_K · « **Reply #25 on:** October 13, 2003, 06:55:45 PM »

Plus40,

I realize that in the summer I had bowled on a shot that was a blended wall, but at least it was a wall none the less. I used the Enforcer there and it did work well, but because the pattern was longer than this league now it didn't go beserk off the dry. I'm pretty sure if I try that again and run along the oil line using ten as the break point, I'm pretty sure I can play a line tight enough to beat over under. Back then I played 15 to 10 with a high track and little revs and I stayed in the pocket all night long. I actually shot 715 that night with the Enforcer out of the box. It's pretty funny how sheer frustration makes you forget the things you did right to score.

I will work with the Enforcer again and see if I can get it through the heads well.

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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

A_P_K · « **Reply #26 on:** October 14, 2003, 09:37:19 AM »

I too feel that way, but I can't do anything except for accepting the fact I must practice more on this condition. I'd prefer to not bowl on it, but I'm committed to the league and must learn and adjust.

What I'd give for a flatter longer pattern.............
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

T-GOD · « **Reply #27 on:** October 14, 2003, 12:21:18 PM »

Patterns need to be closer to 50 ft. nowadays, with resin balls. Hell, they were oiling/buffing the lanes out to 40+ ft. back in the 70's & early 80's, while stripping the backends only once every week or 2.

Did anyone catch the highlights of past performances on the PBA show this week..? If you noticed, the bowlers balls weren't even hooking on the backend. Today, everybody throws a hook. =:^D

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #28 on:** October 14, 2003, 01:53:24 PM »

I have seen (then decided to try it myself)and thrown a really nice layout that may work for you on this condition. Basically it gives the ball a decent hook at the breakpoint, but kills the backend. I get quite a bit on the ball and still can't get it to hook on the backend. I have mine drilled with an Icon2, but would imagine any solid/aggressive pearl would work. This is a right handed layout, ball with a 3-4" pin and mid to lower top weight. We spun the ball to find the true cg (sometimes the marking aren't 100% accurate). Put the pin directly in the center of my grip and the cg above and right of the fingers (basically at the 1:30 position relative to the center of grip). Weighed it out and put a weight hole just under the cg to bring it back to legal weight. You should be able to pick up a used ball here fairly cheap if you wanted to try it out...
Basically it allows me to put my confortable amount of hand in the ball, but still get the carry/roll out backend of the old guys. Best of both worlds.

S^2
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A_P_K · « **Reply #29 on:** October 14, 2003, 02:00:42 PM »

Strapper,

I could give it a try, I'll keep the lay out in mind. I have a few other balls sitting in the closet I can drill up this way if need be.

There are two other strategies I'd like to address first.

Thanks
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #30 on:** October 15, 2003, 07:05:01 AM »

Is it possible to bowl bad on a wall shot

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