Post by: A_P_K on October 09, 2003, 07:33:14 AM
I can do well on other shots, even bowl a tad under average, but this one shot in particular has drier heads, oil in the mid lanes, and fresh backends. You can count on one thing though is that it's nearly impossible to put it in the channel if you have hand. Just watch your ball go down the lane and make a three on its way to the pins.
When the oil carries down in the middle of the first game (normal?) it makes for a speed consistency nightmare, too fast you're leaving washouts, too slow you're chopping the beak.....or down right missing the headpin.
Tonight I used the XL and it worked well in getting to the pocket consistently, but the damn carry down brought my carry down.....as well as everyone else with hand.
Anyone out there know what to do when you stink and can't hit a wall because your natural release is still too strong for the shot?
No retarded comments.....if you want to be funny that's cool, as long as you got serious info to give me. This condition is really bringing my self confidence to the toilet.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Edited on 10/10/2003 8:27 AM
Post by: louie on October 09, 2003, 10:41:59 PM
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Why does everyone laugh when I bowl?
louie
Post by: Buzzhead on October 09, 2003, 10:56:12 PM
on my Monday nite league. bunch a no handers fluffin
the ball up the dry with less revs than pchees hog.
and I cannot keep a plastic ball in the pocket. Pull it
in a bit and you slide by push it out a bit and your 4 pin huntin.
if you find an answer let me know, I may have found a solution.
Pearl Viper pin under fingers, cg swung out and wetsanded to 2500 grit.
(you think trizact is hard to find) will let you know more Monday.
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Saws are made to cut ANYTHING including 10 pins
Post by: charlest on October 09, 2003, 11:35:34 PM
Except for the dry heads, and oily midlane which make for a murderous (you want to murder the manager) combination,
This is THE place for a control ball. A control ball can be for oily, for medium or for dry patterns. If the heads are dry enough to prevent all but pearls from getting through and if there is serious carrydown (as you indicate), then a pearl urethane, highly polished solid urethane or similar mild hooking ball may be necessary.
Have you tried a Blue Hot Flame? You had had one for sale; don't recall if you still have one. Your speed may be enough to enable it to work when thrown out to the dry , 1-10 board.
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"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: 9andaWiggle on October 09, 2003, 11:48:50 PM
I am absolutely dumbfounded as to HOW on God's green earth someone can fluff a hookmonster enough to only get five boards of hook on the back end - but I see it every night I bowl. I don't think I could do that unless I only put my thumb in the ball - regardless of how much I tried to kill the revs/roll. And I'll admit, I get decent revs and movement, but there are many out there who get much more on it than I do. Anyhow, good luck!!
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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: T-GOD on October 10, 2003, 12:49:28 AM
1. You will need a ball that hooks more, to cut through the carry down.
2. Stand farther left and throw farther right.
3. Loft the ball over the heads. grr
4. You need a drilling/ball that will roll out off the dry. Try a solid cover, lower and/or shorter pins, bottom weight, thumb weight negative side, or a combination of the above.
5. Get a XXXL and play in the dry with the REV CHALLENGED..!!
Welcome to my world. =:^D
Post by: Splitz on October 10, 2003, 07:59:34 AM
Post by: A_P_K on October 10, 2003, 08:01:13 AM
I have tried the Super Carbide from as deep as 35 which works better than average, but can be a little touchy if I pull it in a few boards.
I have also tried the XL straight along the oil line more in the dry, which seemed to "look" like the best line to play, but the carry is HORRIBLE. With the speed issue though if you're off by a hair, the ball will fly off the lane, or will skid to the curtain.
Charlest, I was thinking of the Blue Hot Flame from way outside, will have to take a look a that.
I was also watching a "fluffer" use a pearl hammer urethane, he was killing the shot while other power tweeners/ strokers were lost. I guess it's time to bring out the old Glowing Amulet and see what I can do with urethane.
Oh and, yeah even my natural release has more hand than the condition allows, I'd like to take some out, but then I'd have to take my hand off!
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Edited on 10/10/2003 8:17 AM
Post by: A_P_K on October 10, 2003, 08:49:56 AM
Xman, last night there was a fellow who damn near spun the ball end over end backwards and he shot 268 for some high 6 set.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: bass on October 10, 2003, 09:05:04 AM
You basically have 2 options.
1) Play in the dirt outside.
Trying to use weaker equipment or a weaker layout.
2) Play in the soup.
Using stronger equipment with a more aggressive layout.
Playing on the edge of the oil line will make you go nuts.
Hit the dry too early and it dead hooks.
Hit it too late and its washout city.
If neither of the above options work;
There's always BEER!!!!!!!!!
Post by: mixnmash on October 10, 2003, 10:02:25 AM
Post by: charlest on October 10, 2003, 10:13:14 AM
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Charlest, I do own a flame drilled with pin on grip and CG on negative and is too erratic, over under or poor carry due to carrydown. I use a low loaded pearl particle that is more consistant in the breakpoint and carry excellent, it is drilled 10:30 Leverage (XF-Reloaded). Also use a Reactve (Bullwhip) Pin over fingers and CG on PAP (10:30 Label), has excellent control and is about around 5 boards less strong than my XF- Reloaded. Just my comments having so much problems with over/under.
No, of course not, joecr; you can't use a ball like the Blue Hot Flame or any very mild ball on carrydown. it's strictly for very dry conditions. I am suggesting to A_P_K a mild ball to enable him to play the dry outside rather than the odd condition inside which has a ton of carrydown.
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"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: A_P_K on October 10, 2003, 12:59:44 PM
So far I like the urethane idea the best out of them all. With the dry heads to start, and heavy carrydown by the middle of the first game, it will be very hard to get a particle to the backend with enough energy left to turn the corner.
Even swinging dweep inside with a particle may not be the best option, but I can always go with that as a backup plan.
Option 4 does exactly what Plus40 said, so that's ruled out for the time being.
Another great option was to go with the weak ball and stay in the dirt with the "fluffers" and cut back on my release.
Ok, I will practice on these issues and just quickly update you if I truly suck or not.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: A_P_K on October 10, 2003, 01:00:06 PM
So far I like the urethane idea the best out of them all. With the dry heads to start, and heavy carrydown by the middle of the first game, it will be very hard to get a particle to the backend with enough energy left to turn the corner.
Even swinging dweep inside with a particle may not be the best option, but I can always go with that as a backup plan.
Option 4 does exactly what Plus40 said, so that's ruled out for the time being.
Another great option was to go with the weak ball and stay in the dirt with the "fluffers" and cut back on my release.
Ok, I will practice on these issues and just quickly update you if I truly suck or not.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: Jerry Weller on October 10, 2003, 02:01:10 PM
I have tried to do that in practice - but in order to do it I have to collapse my wrist and I find I'm not very consistent when I do that so I haven't tried it in league yet.
I'd say there are also at least a couple of psychological factors at work
1) I worked hard to try to develop a powerful release so I feel kind of "sissy" when I throw a limp wristed shot.
2) Trust - I get the fear that the ball will roll out and leave me flat tens since I'm taking all the revs off the ball.
Post by: A_P_K on October 10, 2003, 02:22:40 PM
I'd consider him a power tweener, with a very control reach over the lanes. He can loft the ball over the dry heads with the greatest of ease, but the carrydown makes every shot pretty inconsistent in hit.
I'd say Sawbones, I'm with Jerry on this one, even though it's the smartest way to play this condition, I can't afford to give up on what power I do have already, when the carry is as terrible as it's been. (not only for me)
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: T-GOD on October 10, 2003, 02:41:12 PM
And I find it more disgusting that the lane conditions/lane man/bowling balls have given the same amount of power/advantage to bowlers who haven't learned and/or are incapable of learning to get on their own..!! =:^D
Post by: A_P_K on October 10, 2003, 02:52:29 PM
We had to change the shot because the people with little to no revs complained about the amount and how flat the oil was.
I understand there can be walls in league play......but damn buff the freakin oil out to the gutter!
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: six pack on October 10, 2003, 08:11:06 PM
Post by: T-GOD on October 10, 2003, 11:04:43 PM
quote:I couldn't have said it better myself. It's nice to know that I'm not alone. Vote me in for the "Bowling Czar", in the October Bowlers Journal, and I'll bring you along as my right hand man..!! =:^D
Bowling owes me absolutely nothing and I am grateful for the time spent doing it. However I am way too competetive to continue dumbing down my game in order to compete with unskilled people that outscore me on a pretty regular basis.
Post by: T-GOD on October 11, 2003, 11:05:40 AM
We're going to have to re-train everybody in the industry with a new philosophy. There's gonna be new products to design, as far as lane machines, oils, lane finishes and new lanes. We'll need to set up a industry wide coaching program, as well as an industry wide handicap system.
You see, there's a lot of work to be done, and this is just the beginning, because there's more. So, get a copy of the Bowlers Journal and write my name in, T-GOD and send it. =:^D
Post by: bass on October 11, 2003, 11:20:31 AM
If you do practice go to the other bowling centers.
Spend the bare minimum of time or money in the center.
This might be the only way you'll get the manager to come around to your point of view. Hitting them in there pocket book.
I've bowled in places you've described and it can be VERY frustrating.
So now I try and spend as little of time in there as possible.
Post by: A_P_K on October 12, 2003, 05:57:55 PM
Worked on getting the ball way out to the five board, learning to trust my ball and myself. I played a small swing 23 with my slide foot out to the five board, using my control drilled Hercules. It started showing some promise but there's alot of speed issues I still need to iron out. Will update again after next week.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: A_P_K on October 13, 2003, 02:50:32 PM
The reason why I chose the Hercules is because it is strong enough to power through the oil. I can get deep enough on the lane and keep it in whatever head oil's left, but don't get it out too early and it will still arc back into the pocket. Once it hits dry the Hercules turns left, nice and even, but very aggressive. I had the operator move the pin into the high flare area according to MoRich's website.
Yet, I haven't tried the Enforcer on this particular pattern, but I have used it here before the switch. I have gotten good results with it and will practice more. I'm assuming with the CG out I will get better control in and out of the oil.
I also have a Super Carbide (not bomb) laid out 4x2 that I haven't used before. I really only use this ball in tournaments, but I may have to take it out and see what it can do here.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Edited on 10/13/2003 3:04 PM
Edited on 10/13/2003 3:07 PM
Post by: A_P_K on October 13, 2003, 06:55:45 PM
I realize that in the summer I had bowled on a shot that was a blended wall, but at least it was a wall none the less. I used the Enforcer there and it did work well, but because the pattern was longer than this league now it didn't go beserk off the dry. I'm pretty sure if I try that again and run along the oil line using ten as the break point, I'm pretty sure I can play a line tight enough to beat over under. Back then I played 15 to 10 with a high track and little revs and I stayed in the pocket all night long. I actually shot 715 that night with the Enforcer out of the box. It's pretty funny how sheer frustration makes you forget the things you did right to score.
I will work with the Enforcer again and see if I can get it through the heads well.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: A_P_K on October 14, 2003, 09:37:19 AM
What I'd give for a flatter longer pattern.............
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: T-GOD on October 14, 2003, 12:21:18 PM
Did anyone catch the highlights of past performances on the PBA show this week..? If you noticed, the bowlers balls weren't even hooking on the backend. Today, everybody throws a hook. =:^D
Post by: Strapper_Squared on October 14, 2003, 01:53:24 PM
Basically it allows me to put my confortable amount of hand in the ball, but still get the carry/roll out backend of the old guys. Best of both worlds.
S^2
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Go Bengals! .500 season is a victory!
Post by: A_P_K on October 14, 2003, 02:00:42 PM
I could give it a try, I'll keep the lay out in mind. I have a few other balls sitting in the closet I can drill up this way if need be.
There are two other strategies I'd like to address first.
Thanks
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 07:05:01 AM
That's my life.....it's all I do !!!!!!!!!
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Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: A_P_K on October 15, 2003, 07:30:22 AM
Maybe I got spoiled during the spring and through the summer until now. Entered a few local house tournaments here and there, bowled on some flatter oil patterns up until two weeks ago.
I even found a way to bowl at least average on a reverse block, and I used to be completely lost on that condition.
It's funny how an "easy" shot such like that causes many bowlers problems.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.