Post by: strikealot on June 25, 2004, 06:32:39 AM
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90% of the game is 50% mental!
Im not even supposed to be here today!
what did the 5 fingers say to the face...SLAP
Post by: strikealot on June 25, 2004, 09:40:45 PM
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90% of the game is 50% mental!
Im not even supposed to be here today!
what did the 5 fingers say to the face...SLAP
Post by: mumzie on June 26, 2004, 01:21:17 AM
I didn't bowl from mid 1984 (black hammer era) till mid 1995 (early reactive), so I don't know quite when it changed.
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Post by: channel surfer on June 26, 2004, 01:23:55 AM
Ball has to get friction before it can hook.
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Post by: JustinM on June 26, 2004, 01:39:11 AM
Roll part is key for carry. You want the ball to roll through the pins.
Post by: channel surfer on June 26, 2004, 01:46:10 AM
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It is SKID HOOK ROLL.
Roll part is key for carry. You want the ball to roll through the pins.
nopeeeeeee.
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Post by: da Shiv on June 26, 2004, 02:28:57 PM
Shiv
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Post by: mumzie on June 26, 2004, 03:24:48 PM
If it hits the pins with too much energy, corner pins.
If it hits the pins after it's all used up, weak corner pins.
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Post by: seadrive on June 26, 2004, 03:27:31 PM
Brian Purcel, formerly of Ebonite:
"Mass Bias changes the shape of the breakpoint. By shape I mean the amount of time it takes the ball to go into a forward roll. Forward roll occurs when the ball loses axis rotation (side roll). When a ball achieves forward roll, it has ceased hooking and now is rolling in a linear direction. Promoting a quicker forward roll would be beneficial in heavier oil conditions, promoting a slower transition to forward roll would be beneficial in lighter oil conditions."
Skid, hook, roll. Please memorize. Thank you, and have a nice day.
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Post by: channel surfer on June 26, 2004, 04:47:51 PM
Think about it with drag racing.
The tires first skid, now, do the tires go, then get friction??? No, it gets friction first before it can go anywhere.
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Post by: seadrive on June 26, 2004, 05:11:53 PM
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Ive read in several places, that it was skid roll hook.
I've read in several places that the Earth is flat. You must consider your sources. Trust me, Brian Purcel and king of the mill know what they are talking about. Some others, ummmm... don't.
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Think about it with drag racing.
The tires first skid, now, do the tires go, then get friction??? No, it gets friction first before it can go anywhere.
Please stop, you're killing me!
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on June 26, 2004, 05:25:51 PM
Release-skid- curse- hook- stomp foot-roll-place hands on head-curse again-repeat.
There you have it.
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Post by: channel surfer on June 26, 2004, 08:17:56 PM
I still stick to skid roll hook roll out.
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Post by: channel surfer on June 26, 2004, 08:19:28 PM
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The ball roll evolution goes
Skid.....roll....hook....hook out....roll out
It skids on the oil, and as it encounters more friction it rolls, where it then shortly after hooks (if thrown to do so), then its hooking process stops, and the rotational axis levels off (not completely) as the ball enters the pocket area (if thrown perfectly) at the point known as the hook-out point (not hooking, but not roll out)...THEN if the hook out occurs too early the ball's rolling axis becomes perfectly flat, and you have roll out...
I agree.
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Post by: channel surfer on June 26, 2004, 09:38:16 PM
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Post by: channel surfer on June 26, 2004, 11:49:12 PM
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If a ball is not rolling then there is NO WAY it can hook. Try throwing one on ice (albeit and older one)...It will skid forever...No hook possible because it can never reach any roll. A ball must begin to roll, at least somewhat, directly prior to its hooking. I never said any of the steps had to be noticable. BUT they DO EXIST. For a small fraction of a second the ball will not be hooking or skidding. It is mearly rolling as the friction buildup occurs and then directional change occurs. Roll spot is an equillibrium between pure skid and pure hook. Then the directional change occurs, and the ball reaches another equillibrium point, hook out. Then roll out occurs when the balls forward momentum overcomes its lateral momentum.
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Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on June 27, 2004, 12:46:07 PM
You throw the ball
It skids
Now this is where people are getting all caught up
The ball WOULD roll, if it were going straight, but its not.
The ball makes friction, WHICH IS NOT ROLLING, it makes friction, turns the corner. That is the hook
Then after it has a set direction, it continues rolling in that direction.
Some people say this is roll OUT, but I disagree, I think the only thing that is roll OUT is when the ball loses its energy and hitting power, and just because it has a set direction of travel does NOT mean its lost its power.
Thank you for your time. lol
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Post by: channel surfer on June 27, 2004, 02:28:23 PM
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Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on June 27, 2004, 02:35:02 PM
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is!
The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior PrincessAnd why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!
Post by: channel surfer on June 27, 2004, 02:48:47 PM
Ive tried hook set, i get bad carry. Now all my equipment has constant move on the backend(both arcinging and some angular), and I like that better.
But nothing i have just hooks and sets, and just rolls straight into the pocket. Thats what my wow does when it burns out on the back. )hence i leave very ugly splits, and sometimes my favorite, the 10 pin)
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Post by: omegabowler on June 27, 2004, 03:09:51 PM
has everyone here read the BTM article?
Has everyone here making a comment understand Physics 101?
the ball is defined by mathematics to have 3 important transitional areas with influences from 2 forces rotation and direction
measured by friction the skid phase means there is more force in the direction thrown and the rotation of the ball can not effect the direction of the ball.SKID
as friction increases and speed decreases. the rotation of the ball influence the path of the ball. and direction has a major contribution in the ball path HOOK
as speed is further decreased and the primary influence of direction is now the ball rotation. ROLL
Roll out is the loss of the rotation influence but no further increase of the ball direction force. minor transition but important.
oil carry down and spots effect the ball but are not a foundation of ball reaction.
everyone has their opinions, but you know what they say about that.
so there are 3 major phases of directional forces EDIT: Skid/Hook/roll on all oil patterns.
until you disprove Physics I would stick with what math says, and not what you perceive.
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Edited on 6/27/2004 3:51 PM
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on June 27, 2004, 03:12:34 PM
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is!
The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior PrincessAnd why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!
Post by: omegabowler on June 27, 2004, 03:55:51 PM
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Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on June 27, 2004, 04:02:07 PM
quote:OBVIOUSLY
Thanks Kid. brian is faster than fingers.
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Post by: omegabowler on June 27, 2004, 05:44:58 PM
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