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splendorlex

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Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« on: July 03, 2006, 01:06:42 AM »
I get 95% of my stuff done at the same shop, and I love his work and how my grip is set right now, but I'm looking at maybe picking up a Venus and can get a GREAT price for one, drilled, from allstarbowling-Joe.  Is it a bad thing if I ask my present driller for a copy of my sheet or my specs?  Cause I'm not sure what size grips I use, what size my thumb is, or what my exact span is either.  (Though I'm fairly certain on my span, I'm not "sure.")  So what do I do?
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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2006, 09:08:21 AM »
I believe this to be a great question.  I'm interested to see what some of the pro shop operators on here think.  I once asked my driller for a copy of my specs sheet once...which he had no problem with....but I'm anxious to see some of the answers.
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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2006, 09:21:03 AM »
you could just bring your ball to another shop and ask him to give you your specs off the ball.

Some pro shop guys would probably get ticked off by this and some wont.  It all depends who your dealing with.

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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2006, 09:28:06 AM »
My driller, knowing that I bowl when traveling and bowl out of town tournaments, gave me a copy of my drill sheet. You never know what might happen or when you might need the specs.

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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2006, 09:33:24 AM »
Before I started drilling, I asked the guy who drilled my stuff for a copy. He made me a copy with no questions asked. It might had been different, I explained I wanted it to compare mine with others in here, but he never blinked an eye.

Keep in mind, in my 'hole in the wall town' there's only him and I who drill, so maybe he wasn't threatened by my request. Closest other drillers, 75 miles.
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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2006, 09:37:22 AM »
Difficult question. I think I'd receive my drill sheet from my pro shop owner if I asked for it. In fact, a friend of mine got his sheet, scanned it and put it on his web site... But since I am very content with what the man does for me, I try to stick with him out of loyalty - what does not prevent me buying balls elsewhere and have them drilled/plugged at him. It is a long term thing, and I am sure other drillers/pro shop owners are quite eager to keep their customers from "the truth" of their hands.

Another background to this is that, even though another ball driller could set up a ball by the sheet for me, my "preferred supplier" knows my game well and my hand (especially that long thumb...), as well as my arsenal. If I can, I let him have any ball drilled for me.
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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2006, 09:41:21 AM »
Just ask for a copy of your spec's with the simple explanation that you want it for your records.  Most tournament bowlers need to know their ball spec's in case of a lost ball, stolen ball or drilling up a ball in a out of town tournament (usbc tournament, high roller events or a free ball/contest). Unless the driller is completely paranoid (in which case you should find another outlet), he or she will gladly produce a photo copy or let you jot down the spec's. Or take a digital camera, and do a close up shot of the Spec sheet.

I want the security of knowing my spec's in case of a ball driller going out of business, moving to another area, or simply myself moving to another area of the country.

Once you get your spec's, Joe from allstarbowling.com has an excellent drilling service and is easy to work with.  Joe or Buddies Pro Shop seem to have excellent service records.

Below is a link to my drilling spec's.  It should be no secret to anyone.  All Bowling has an excellent form that you can print and fill out.  Later, entering the specs onto their site.

My primary ball driller bowls the PBA Senior Tour and runs a very small pro shop. For 5 months out of the year he's bowling the tour.  When he remains competitive (in the ball park + add convenience local factor $) with Internet type outlets, I will purchase from him.  When he can't get specific ball requirement or accessories at a reasonable price or inconvient or a hassle for him; he tells me so.  Honest and kind as they come.  They are your dollars, spend em' as you see fit, and what does you well and makes you feel good em'.
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splendorlex

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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2006, 09:48:37 AM »
Thanks, all.  I am very loyal to my driller, and send everyone I can to him as well as get 95% of my stuff done by him.  I would only do this because Joe's offer is SO GOOD on that Venus.  99 bucks, drilled with grips, and I just have to pay shipping on top of that.  I figure to be able to get a ready to throw Venus for about 110 or so.  
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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2006, 11:41:35 AM »
My old driller said he would give them to me for $350! I am not kidding! You noticed I said my old driller! This among other reasons is the reason I do not deal with him anymore.
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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2006, 02:23:34 PM »
Obtained specs from driller #1, took them to driller #2.  Driller #2 said, "thanks, that's nice, now let me measure a ball that driller #1 drilled for you using these specs."  Driller #2 then measured my balls and found specs that were slightly different than shown on the spec. sheet that I received from driller #1.  When I asked him why that was he said, "because the other guy proabably used a different point of reference."  Hmmmm.  By the way, both drillers are equally good (or bad as the case may be).
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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2006, 02:31:07 PM »
My driller prints out a copy whenever you drill something, when your done your welcome to take it with you if not, it goes in the garbage.
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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2006, 02:35:47 PM »
I have had no problem getting my specs. I don't see how a driller can refuse to give a person their specs. It's the customers ball and specs and the customer is paying for it so why can't he have the specs. They belong to him. After all they are his customized specs.

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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2006, 07:37:20 PM »
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Obtained specs from driller #1, took them to driller #2.  Driller #2 said, "thanks, that's nice, now let me measure a ball that driller #1 drilled for you using these specs."  Driller #2 then measured my balls and found specs that were slightly different than shown on the spec. sheet that I received from driller #1.  When I asked him why that was he said, "because the other guy proabably used a different point of reference."  Hmmmm.  By the way, both drillers are equally good (or bad as the case may be).


Some drillers drill to the inside of a line, some the center, and some the outside of a line. Two drillers could easily be off 1/16 from each other and still be accurate to the lines laid out on the ball.



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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2006, 08:39:36 PM »
As a pro shop dude..

Just ask and probably would be very happy to give you your specs. We know that sometimes there are much better deals out there than we can provide that is for sure.

When I give a customer there spec sheet, I make sure that I make it very clear how I measured. For the most part I go cut to cut, which seems to be the easiest way for me to get very exact.  I include what grips I use and the drill bit for the grips if used.  Also include the thumb slug size.  This way they have all the info on how I drilled it.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Is it taboo to ask for your drill sheet?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2006, 02:38:47 PM »
it's no big deal.  last season, one person came in and asked for his specs:
he was going to the abc's and wanted to get a ball there. we gave him and his wife their specs:,

some shops do get upset about giving out specs:  they feel that they did all the work and the customer is now going to take their specs:, and order a ball online.  i feel as a ball driller, that if the customer wants you to drill his equipment, than he will have you drill it.  and if he wants to buy a ball online,  that's his business.

earlier today a customer came in with a track spare ball he got online. we have drilled several balls for this person, as well as some of his fanily members. and most recently drilled a Big One for a friend of his. but he went online and bought this ball.  it's no big deal.  we pulled his specs; and drilled the ball for him.  $28.00.

as a ball driller, you can't worry about where a bowler gets all of their bowling balls.  you just try to do your best.
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