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BigHorhn

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Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« on: March 08, 2015, 10:53:12 PM »
It seem like every other week there is a discussion on facebook about sandbagging. One person said that all the talk about re-adjusting or re-rating a bowler's average who's tournament scores are noticeably higher then there league average doesn't happen in other city's like it does in Cleveland. Do people just accept it and not complain about it?
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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2015, 08:16:11 AM »
Yup those are the handicap tournaments I stopped bowling in for just that reason. East Coast though.
Quote from: Ken De Beasto on March 10, 2015, 02:11:55 AM
Sounds like abt tournaments in nor cal.
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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2015, 09:39:48 AM »
Quote from: charlest on March 09, 2015, 04:36:16 PM
Many leagues around my area have a 10 pin drop rule: you won't get any more handicap than 10 pins below your last year's average. The only exception is a serious injury and that has to be voted on by the officers, on an individual basis.

I'm surprised more tournaments don't implement something like that: for instance, if you last years' average is more than 10 pins below your highest average for the past 3 years, your entering average at the least 10 pins less than your highest average.

My league's drop rule is 5 pins.  Sandbagging is also somewhat moderated by having position round every other week...
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xrayjay

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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2015, 10:57:22 AM »
If a person is a known to bag at tournaments and his teammates know about this, and they win often. Do the team get punished? or just that one person?
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Ken De Beasto

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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2015, 11:38:52 AM »
Yea but their national event is worth trying for their price

Quote from: Polish_Hammer on March 10, 2015, 08:16:11 AM
Yup those are the handicap tournaments I stopped bowling in for just that reason. East Coast though.
Quote from: Ken De Beasto on March 10, 2015, 02:11:55 AM
Sounds like abt tournaments in nor cal.
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xrayjay

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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2015, 12:11:41 PM »
Quote from: Ken De Beasto on March 10, 2015, 11:38:52 AM
Yea but their national event is worth trying for their price

Quote from: Polish_Hammer on March 10, 2015, 08:16:11 AM
Yup those are the handicap tournaments I stopped bowling in for just that reason. East Coast though.
Quote from: Ken De Beasto on March 10, 2015, 02:11:55 AM
Sounds like abt tournaments in nor cal.

still norcal ABT is the a piece of SHEET!  many know my story on why, after three semi events after moving here 10 yrs ago, I no longer bowl this ANOTHER BAGGERS TURN tourney. All three semi's I bowled over 230 on non house patterns. yet I got beat by guys with 20 sticks or more who also bowled in the 2 teens and 220s. 

hopefully, things have changed around here but I highly doubt it.
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Ken De Beasto

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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2015, 12:47:09 PM »
Yea pretty ridiculous most of then supposedly average 150 but to turn 50 dollars to 2 grand not so bad
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xrayjay

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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2015, 01:15:51 PM »
Anyone who wins a singles event with 15, or let me say, 20 sticks or more is a bagger IMHO...
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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2015, 01:28:43 PM »
Quote from: xrayjay on March 10, 2015, 01:15:51 PM
Anyone who wins a singles event with 15, or let me say, 20 sticks or more is a bagger IMHO...

Well, you know the biggest offender of them all.  ;D


Although I have heard that even Mambo has rerated him now. I know that TNBA has put a stop to his crap.
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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2015, 02:24:46 PM »
The guys name wouldn't happen to be Jesse or Tony would it? Lol!
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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2015, 02:33:14 PM »
Quote from: bltbyj on March 10, 2015, 02:24:46 PM
The guys name wouldn't happen to be Jesse or Tony would it? Lol!

LOL, so you have met him too?

Funny story, I was having dinner, IN ANOTHER STATE mind you, and being with bowlers we started talking about it. A guy from a couple of tables away over heard us, came over, introduces himself and said, are you guys talking about Jesse (no last name here)? I hate that cheating piece of $h!t!!
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Ken De Beasto

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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2015, 02:40:30 PM »
Wuhts his last name haha I know a few jesse in elk Grove and one of them lifetime 220 if I recall
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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2015, 02:48:58 PM »
Quote from: Ken De Beasto on March 10, 2015, 02:40:30 PM
Wuhts his last name haha I know a few jesse in elk Grove and one of them lifetime 220 if I recall

I'm not giving a last name here, but he does bowl at Strikes. A couple of years ago he was claiming a 180 something average. Everyone knew it was a scam, but the tournaments did nothing about it. Maybe that's why tournaments like Mambo used to fill the stadium in Reno with multiple squads but not anymore.
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Ken De Beasto

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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2015, 02:58:45 PM »
Strikes aye that's my house he he . mambo tournaments phewww I entered one and some guy with a 150 average shot a 300 and average 250 took first place with his team last year. You have to shoot a 350 scratch in one game to stop him but not possible. Smh
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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2015, 03:01:36 PM »
Quote from: Ken De Beasto on March 10, 2015, 02:58:45 PM
Strikes aye that's my house he he . mambo tournaments phewww I entered one and some guy with a 150 average shot a 300 and average 250 took first place with his team last year. You have to shoot a 350 scratch in one game to stop him but not possible. Smh

That's not uncommon. You can bet that he was maxed in the brackets too.

Look at the tournaments Peter Hagin runs if you want a fair shot. He has a variety of event and does not hesitate to re-rate. He also has a series of 20-max tournaments where the most handicap anyone can get is 20 sticks.

http://www.bowlbayarea.com/
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Ken De Beasto

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Re: Is sandbagging an excepted practice in your city or state?
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2015, 03:07:03 PM »
Oh here we go I been searching for tournaments hard to find. I hop 3bowlers but they barely have any. I'm doing an Asian American tournament this week . pretty fair sport shot and the directors make your average based on past tourneys and average overall on sport shots.
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