Hm, interesting to know because I'm also have an inverted track. It'd be great if someone could verify this for me as well.

I have a lower inverted track not as close to fingers but away from thumb usually first oil ring is at one and 3/4 to two inches from thumb.  My PAP spec's are 4 7/8" over and 1/2" up.  Actually think I am about 5"s over right now.  

What are your PAP spec's anyone with an inverted track?  

I'd go along with tenpinsrpo when I do have problems it would be on bone dry conditions.  Higher tracking rollers should be able to do better on drier conditions.

Good topic Jeff.

Scott

Thanks Bob....Now next question.....What causes it, the type drilling or type release or etc?

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I have a very light inverted track, its barley inverted. my axis specs are 5" over, and about 1/3" down.
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Hey Author,

It depended on the pin and cg placement on sym balls.  For the higher inverted track, when I tried to drill for length/control, it did clip and the ball would stabilize at the backend.  I was able to bring his track down from the fingers with a stack-lev drill(3 3/8), it started the ball flaring sooner so it came off the fingers.  I talked to Omegabowler about this and he had the same results.  Oh, same problem when placing some of the stronger mb balls with mb in track(left of thumb).  This caused the ball to roll over the fingers as well.

Brickguy, from personal experience, I can throw an inverted track when I try and hit thru the ball vs around it.  From what I've seen, all the inverted releases are coming from the guys whose wrists are cupped or very firm at the point of release and hitting thru it.  My hand actually comes back and makes a slight clockwise rotation thru the ball vs counter clockwise like I do for my regular 3/4 roll.  Throwing inverted caused too much index finger pain for me, probably due to the fact that my wrist was not as strong as needed.

I haven't seen a pap that's up yet either like Scotts33, all my guys are slightly down on the vertical.  Some of the older texts even call this release a "cranker" release, maybe cause it takes a fair amount of wrist to throw it.

Rick

Edited on 8/18/2004 2:46 PM

Scotts33 -
My PAP specs are roughly 5 over and 1/2 down and I would say I track about 1 inch away from the fingers and close to 3 inches from the thumb. I guess that makes me a lower track inverted roller?

Rick -
I do have the speed to overcome most dry lanes situations......except for my home house when it dries up (so I just throw plastic instead, which carries very well because of the heavy roll associated with this style of release).

Stormerjip -  

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the only problem i have had with a inverted track is that if i use a flare drilling i can't get it to pick up into a roll soon enough and just get a lot of skid on it

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I can't say I have ever had that problem, every ball I have had drilled for high flare has been an absolute beast on its intended conditions. In fact I have never had trouble with a ball skidding too far, only with the ball hooking too soon sometimes.

Thanks for the excellent replies,
Jeff

P.S. I will be directing every single one of the people who tell me I should change to this topic in the future. All of the excellent replies should show them there is nothing wrong with my ball roll and, hence, shut them up
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