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bcw1969

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Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« on: August 02, 2014, 10:44:39 AM »
Is there, or has there ever been a ball with a reactive cover at least as weak as my Lane #1 Bullet, but that has a stronger core?? I can't think of anything, but if there is, I wouldn't mind having a ball like that.

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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2014, 07:53:31 PM »
Right of 20 is nosebleed area.

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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2014, 11:33:54 PM »
Admittedly I can be quite stubborn when it comes to my bowling....I want to be as comfortable as I can be, as often as I can be. Does it always work? No--however there is a more practical reason for my "stubbornness".  I do not generate enough natural recovery with my style to really be effective moving more inside. In the past when I have tried that, even with more aggressive equipment, I just never got a good and strong reaction trying to do that. Now that I have had a spinner the last few years , I have been able to really experiment with surfaces, and I don't see why, with the right ball & surface, that a bowler couldn't be "himself" --or at his most comfortable on any condition? For years I have always said "I'd rather change balls than change me"

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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2014, 06:03:26 AM »
If you're good enough you can play anywhere you want.  Most of us move to find the most lane aid we can find.

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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2014, 06:11:52 AM »
Equipment is designed to conquer a condition...if you try to make a bowling ball fit a condition the condition wins...everytime
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« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2014, 07:07:50 AM »
Understand in the past, a bowler could in certain situations 'over-power' a lane by ability...in today's environment, that is FAR less likely...between the bowling balls being used to mutilate the playing field and conditioners having additives that tend to force players into similars areas on the playing field, it is highly not recommended thinking one can choose a bowling ball that will allow then to either play a desired area of the lane or create an area...especially on the left side with less traffic and a smoother playing surface...bowlers want to rely on equipment to 'fix' inadequencies in their games instead of improving their games and using the equipment properly
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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2014, 07:55:53 AM »
This thread = A+   ;D 
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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2014, 09:34:16 AM »
My Lack Of versatility has not always served me well. Historically in the past when stroking it up the 2nd arrow, when that went away, rather than moving in with the feet and swinging the ball out, I would either ball down and keep the same line or I would move outside around the 1st arrow and be fine. That strategy served me well, at least for league bowling.  I was averaging in the 190's for a number of years..and over time gaining knowledge about equipment and discovering what balls matched up best with me I had finally became a 200 average bowler.  I was really hitting my stride. around 2006/2007 or so I averaged 218 in a shorter summer league...During the 2008 -2009 fall season I was throwing 700's left and right.  By the 2nd half of that season around Jan 2009, my home center was sold and changed hands twice within a very very short time and the new regime totally changed  everything. The Lanes had been very heavily oiled before the sale---there were some weeks where I was using my Visionary Midnight Scorcher first out of the bag, but now there was very little oil being put out and I struggled terribly.

If I had been proficient at moving inside and swinging the ball out , that would have helped, but me being me I didn't go that direction. I focused on the equipment --taming surfaces and getting other milder equipment to combat the lesser volume of oil. What happened that season was I went from a 219 average at the end of Jan 2009 and finished the season at 197..I dropped 22 pins in the last few months, it was ugly. For the next few seasons, I was focusing on the equipment and adjusting it, or buying a more compatible piece, rather than on "me" and in those few years after instead of averaging 219, it was a rare event for me to even have a game that high---I said I was stubborn--so much so that even after my average dropped to the high 170's I wouldn't touch myself. This Past season I did make a change the past few months of the season. I effectively upped my ball speed approx. 1mph, from 14 - 14.5 mph to 15-15.5 mph average, and just that extra 1 mph made a huge difference in equipment I could use and how I could still play the lanes successfully.

I did not use the textbook classical way to get more speed--faster feet or a higher pushaway---I was simply coming through the ball better at the bottom of the swing and end of the shot without muscling the shot. Now it is becoming very natural for me now to have the extra mile of speed, however the way I did it, I didn't achieve accuracy right off the bat, but that is coming---I guess for me I could say like the moon astronauts "One small step in adjusting, but one giant leap in my production".
I definatly feel it coming back to me. Can I go further in being able to adjust me when the situation dictates it, sure, but this is a good start for me, and I am pretty excited about the fall season believing my average will get back to where it used to be. This is just where I am at right now. I do understand and appreciate the spirit and the heart behind many of the responses, good stuff.

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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2014, 09:44:33 AM »
If your average dropped 40 pins you need lessons not bowling balls.  40 pins isn't bad ball reaction.  That's not what you want to hear, but….

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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2014, 09:50:31 AM »
Sounds like 95% of the league bowlers I know.
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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2014, 10:23:28 AM »
I don't mind hearing peoples comments.....believe me, if I wasn't me and hadn't been me all these years, I'd be right there with you saying the same thing to someone like me.  Actually my physical game is not really all that deficient and I have always been good at repeating shots----just not always the "right" shot. That was no typo earlier---I really have been THAT stubborn through the years...it's like that old song "I've gotta be me, I've gotta be me" ...but I probably have gotten way too accepting of what I am not, rather than finding other ways to be what I want to be.

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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2014, 10:35:56 AM »
Actually my physical game is not really all that deficient and I have always been good at repeating shots----just not always the "right" shot.

Not logical....

If you can't adjust and execute the "right" shot, how is your game not all that deficient?  You're game is exceptionally deficient if you are great at only 1 thing.

Our goal should be to play in the correct zone of the lane, if our preferred zone is not available the answer isn't "let's find a way to make it available".
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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2014, 11:30:52 AM »
I may have used the wrong word(s) to say what I wanted....I didn't mean to imply that I am  a complete bowler. I guess I meant style-wise  or form wise I am not in need of extensive renovation.

"Our goal should be to play in the correct zone of the lane, if our preferred zone is not available the answer isn't "let's find a way to make it available". "

Those sentiments have been articulated by a few people in this discussion...is that a prevalent thought process in people because "a way to make it available" is not possible? or just easier for most people to "play a different zone"?

Brad

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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2014, 11:35:46 AM »
It's called playing what the lanes give you...otherwise you are fighting an uphill battle and the bowler always loses...
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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2014, 11:41:29 AM »
Getting lessons at the end of last season and going into this year is the best money I have spent. More so then any bowling ball. I have limited options locally for lessons and tried the online route instead with HYBC that was found through this website.

I have been extremely happy and was able to get back what I lost last year and then some. Last year was my worst season in years. Dropped my average several pins and couldn't tell what I was doing wrong. Lessons had never crossed my mind in years passed, but I'm glad I did it.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Is there, or has there ever been a ball.......
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2014, 02:37:19 PM »
Once I get off the injured list, lessons are the first thing on my mind.