Author Topic: Is this a 300? (Read 12292 times)

cav · « **on:** March 17, 2013, 01:11:41 PM »

Fellow bowler hit the first 10, fouled the last 2 while striking ( I'm talking about 6-10 inches beyond foul line). Buzzer did not go off, lane manager forgot to turn it on............

Cav

gsback · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2013, 08:00:31 AM »

Quote from: cav on March 17, 2013, 01:19:51 PM

Judging by the celebration, his fellow bowlers disagree.

Cav

There was never a follow-up to this. I take it that if there was in fact a celebration, then neither he nor anyone around him that saw him go that far over the line said a single thing??

jkiser01 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2013, 10:43:57 AM »

Not a 300 and the guy that shot it should have is USBC card yanked for being dishonest. I also can't believe no one said anything. If I saw that happen, I would say something right away. I don't care if the person had 10 in a row or not.

Gizmo823 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 18, 2013, 11:19:10 AM »

Now remember, bowling is just for fun, not everybody has to be serious, some people aren't out for competition . . taking his 300 away just because he broke a rule or two wouldn't help bowling.

*Sarcasm off*

If I'd have posted this someone would have said, "Well, the center should have had the foul lights on, they didn't, he shot a 300, deal with it." THS is bad enough, but when people start ignoring and arguing over the basic rules of the sport, goodbye bowling.

cav · « **Reply #19 on:** March 18, 2013, 11:23:14 AM »

Quote from: gsback on March 18, 2013, 08:00:31 AM

Quote from: cav on March 17, 2013, 01:19:51 PM
Judging by the celebration, his fellow bowlers disagree.

Cav
There was never a follow-up to this. I take it that if there was in fact a celebration, then neither he nor anyone around him that saw him go that far over the line said a single thing??

No, nothing was said. I did hear 4 bowlers admit he did indeed cross the line. Now, if you were the only one, would you have said something?

Cav

Pinbuster · « **Reply #20 on:** March 18, 2013, 11:26:00 AM »

Was it in sanctioned competition?

If not then who knows what rules apply. Some like to count their practice 300's.

If it was sanctioned then someone has to call the foul. If not then I guess the scores stands.

Pinbuster · « **Reply #21 on:** March 18, 2013, 11:28:25 AM »

If I witness a foul, I call it on the player.

But I have only had to do this 2 times in 48 years.

cav · « **Reply #22 on:** March 18, 2013, 11:31:15 AM »

Yes, sanctioned.

When it happened, I was reluctant to say anything through the mass hysteria that ensued..... and would have ensued if I spoke up

. That being said, I was wrong not to. It was the guys first 300...after bowling 30+ years.

Cav

Locke · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2013, 11:44:56 AM »

Quote from: Cornerpin on March 18, 2013, 07:43:27 AM

I am more amazed that someone with the first 10 could then go across the foul line that far not once but twice. That sounds like something a beginner bowler does when open bowling.

I have seen some pretty ridiculous things happen in that 10th frame. I know I fell over onto the ball return for shot 12 of my first. Nerves are funny things. I once saw another guy lose shot 12 behind him twice before putting it on the lane. And then he pulled it 10 boards.

Pinbuster · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2013, 11:54:50 AM »

Quote from: cav on March 18, 2013, 11:31:15 AM

Yes, sanctioned.

When it happened, I was reluctant to say anything through the mass hysteria that ensued..... and would have ensued if I spoke up . That being said, I was wrong not to. It was the guys first 300...after bowling 30+ years.

Cav

But you should have said something after the 11th. There wouldn't have been any hysteria.

You might have been viewed as a heel. But assuming the others who saw it would have stepped up it would have calmed down. Heck, he might have admitted it when comfronted.

bradl · « **Reply #25 on:** March 18, 2013, 03:12:40 PM »

All I will say is this.

It all boils down to character.

If he knows that he fouled, he should have come up himself and have said that the last two shots should not have counted, because he had fouled. Poor character there.

Second, it isn't the whole fact of 'remember, we are having fun here'. Yes, we are having fun, but the integrity of the game should not be sacrificed for the sake of 'having fun'. As league bowlers, we hold ourselves up to the rules of the game. The moment we don't do that, we not only lose integrity of the game, but what does that also say about we, the bowler?

It comes down to (and this is more of a life lesson than anything) doing what is right, regardless of being portrayed as the bad guy, or feeling like hell about it afterwards. Yes, the guy may feel shattered, but he would know, as well as everyone there, that the right thing was done.

And there would be positives to take out of it. He now knows he can throw 12 in a row, if not more. So he then now knows that he could do it again. And again. And again. But throwing him a bone on one while everyone else has to throw 12 true does not make for anything fair in the game, and calls it into disrepute.

BL.

Gizmo823 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2013, 03:25:41 PM »

Quote from: bradl on March 18, 2013, 03:12:40 PM

All I will say is this.

It all boils down to character.

If he knows that he fouled, he should have come up himself and have said that the last two shots should not have counted, because he had fouled. Poor character there.

Second, it isn't the whole fact of 'remember, we are having fun here'. Yes, we are having fun, but the integrity of the game should not be sacrificed for the sake of 'having fun'. As league bowlers, we hold ourselves up to the rules of the game. The moment we don't do that, we not only lose integrity of the game, but what does that also say about we, the bowler?

It comes down to (and this is more of a life lesson than anything) doing what is right, regardless of being portrayed as the bad guy, or feeling like hell about it afterwards. Yes, the guy may feel shattered, but he would know, as well as everyone there, that the right thing was done.

And there would be positives to take out of it. He now knows he can throw 12 in a row, if not more. So he then now knows that he could do it again. And again. And again. But throwing him a bone on one while everyone else has to throw 12 true does not make for anything fair in the game, and calls it into disrepute.

BL.

Exactly. BUT, the good ol boy finally getting his 300 is a lot better than tragically missing it over some little rule. Bottom line is that it's not just this guy's honesty, it's everyone else's that didn't say anything because they knew they'd get hammered for it. Everytime a rule is brought up, people shoot it down or downplay it unless it's a tournament or a super competitive league.

bradl · « **Reply #27 on:** March 18, 2013, 03:47:05 PM »

Quote from: Gizmo823 on March 18, 2013, 03:25:41 PM

Quote from: bradl on March 18, 2013, 03:12:40 PM

All I will say is this.

It all boils down to character.

If he knows that he fouled, he should have come up himself and have said that the last two shots should not have counted, because he had fouled. Poor character there.

Second, it isn't the whole fact of 'remember, we are having fun here'. Yes, we are having fun, but the integrity of the game should not be sacrificed for the sake of 'having fun'. As league bowlers, we hold ourselves up to the rules of the game. The moment we don't do that, we not only lose integrity of the game, but what does that also say about we, the bowler?

It comes down to (and this is more of a life lesson than anything) doing what is right, regardless of being portrayed as the bad guy, or feeling like hell about it afterwards. Yes, the guy may feel shattered, but he would know, as well as everyone there, that the right thing was done.

And there would be positives to take out of it. He now knows he can throw 12 in a row, if not more. So he then now knows that he could do it again. And again. And again. But throwing him a bone on one while everyone else has to throw 12 true does not make for anything fair in the game, and calls it into disrepute.

BL.

Exactly. BUT, the good ol boy finally getting his 300 is a lot better than tragically missing it over some little rule. Bottom line is that it's not just this guy's honesty, it's everyone else's that didn't say anything because they knew they'd get hammered for it. Everytime a rule is brought up, people shoot it down or downplay it unless it's a tournament or a super competitive league.

I agree. It boils down to this.

Say you're in elementary school, and you see your best friend beating up a kid 2 years younger than you.

Having Integrity means that you would tell your friend what he is doing is wrong.

Having Character means that not only would you tell your friend what he is doing is wrong, but jumping in and defending the kid getting beaten up.

In this case, the ones that didn't do what was right had just as much of a problem as those that didn't.

Nevertheless, Definitely not a 300.

BL.

DP3 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 18, 2013, 03:59:37 PM »

Sweep it under the rug and treat him as if a special needs bowler had have shot it and fouled.

...just playing devil's advocate

gsback · « **Reply #29 on:** March 18, 2013, 04:32:19 PM »

Quote from: cav on March 18, 2013, 11:23:14 AM

Quote from: gsback on March 18, 2013, 08:00:31 AM
Quote from: cav on March 17, 2013, 01:19:51 PM
Judging by the celebration, his fellow bowlers disagree.

Cav
There was never a follow-up to this. I take it that if there was in fact a celebration, then neither he nor anyone around him that saw him go that far over the line said a single thing??

No, nothing was said. I did hear 4 bowlers admit he did indeed cross the line. Now, if you were the only one, would you have said something?

Cav

Since my quote you replied to, yes, I would have admitted it if it were me and I knew I fouled...yes. On flip side, I would also fight it if it were me and lights went off and I didn't foul. I don't slide close to the line at all....am easily a good 6-8 inches away.

Now....if I saw it. I wouldn't have started calming the mass hysteria down to make an announcement....but I would have no problems going to the person saying congrats...and then letting him know that I watched him clearly foul the last 2 shots. I would leave it up to the person to judge him/herself.

Does it make me right or better? No. It becomes a case of he says she says....and no one wins there.

BrunsMike · « **Reply #30 on:** March 19, 2013, 10:56:13 AM »

If this guy was in my Wednesday night league and did this, I gaurantee you this 1 guy would have brought the player in the wrong out in the open with no hesitation. The league is or was a just for fun Goodfellowship league but EVERY TIME there's a rule infraction he pulls out the rule book and then enforces it.

A month ago one of my team mates who averages 135-145 (been bowling for the last 40 years with no improvement). Uses an old Teal Rhino Pro ball and the inserts in it are so old the rubber turned to a super hard brittle material and the glue let go. So he used super glue and 4 pieces of duct tape to hold it in. There was about a quarter inch of tape on the ring finger hole on the ball.

Do you think a 140 average bowler who doesn't care about the rules is going to be any threat that throws the ball at 12 mph with no hook on the ball what-so-ever?? Dude can't even hit the same area from 1 shot to the next!

Yet this 1 rule book junkie decides to break out the book and recite the rule like it's some kind of religious sermon! I see him pulling out this book every single week trying to get every team he bowls on some kind of BS.

Anyway, this double foul should have been called out on the 1st offense. If I personally saw this happen I would have said something to him or his team. I don't care if it's his 1st or his millionth. I've been called for a foul on my 11th shot by well this rule bookkeeper. Just happened to have several others jump in to agree....

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