Author Topic: Is this track unusual (Read 2471 times)

RPM MAX · « **on:** March 12, 2004, 07:20:17 PM »

Don't know a lot about drillings and layouts, or where my pap is but all my balls with the exception of my spare ball which tracks within an inch of the fingers and thumb. The rest of my balls track 3-4 inches from my fingers and about an inch from my thumb is this a spinner track? I am right handed with a lot of revs will this help any one explain to me why I track like this? The above measurements are for my first track by the way on low rg balls with pin under drillings with a balance hole I will flare right the way round the ball to the balance hole usually about 45ft down the lane. The ball sounds like its going over rumble strips lol.

loose5682 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2004, 10:40:53 AM »

You my friend are a very high tracker. The track that close to your thumb indicates that very well. I track rather high as well, and the rumble strips you're speaking of...that's the ball rolling over the thumbhole. It's not necessarily a bad thing, nor does it really need to be corrected, but it can be corrected. You do have to watch out with pin placements as a high-tracker, some pin placements will cause a majority of the track to be over the thumbhole.
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Andrew Loose
Illinois State University Men's Bowling Team

RPM MAX · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2004, 11:13:08 AM »

NOOOOOOOO!!!! I am defiantly not a high tracker if u read my article again it says my first track is 3-4 inches from the fingers and about an inch from the thumb. It defiantly does not hit my thumb the rumble I mentioned defiantly comes from the ball weight hole on the other side of the ball its really quite annoying cause I can not drill any strong balls with a balance hole cause it always flares right the way round the ball and rolls over the balance hole.

loose5682 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2004, 11:21:52 AM »

Umm...I might be mistaken, but I think you are a high tracker. Not to start an argument or anything, but unless i'm misunderstanding what you're saying, your track up by your fingers is 3-4 inches away from the holes, and down by your thumb it's an inch away. Maybe you don't track as high as I thought you did before, but it still sounds like a decently high track to me. I am a little confused by this statement...

I will flare right the way round the ball to the balance hole usually about 45ft down the lane

I'm not getting what you're saying here, are you flaring on your balance hole? I'm confused, please help so we can all help you. Thanks much!
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Andrew Loose
Illinois State University Men's Bowling Team

Urethane Game · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2004, 11:27:55 AM »

Your non flaring spare ball is the true indicator that you are a high tracker. Your thumb close and fingers far away would say a lot of squeeze with a lot of turn.

stormerjip · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2004, 12:50:35 PM »

Maybe im off base but if u are hitting your weight hole then why don't u actually find ur pap or have ur driller find ur pap and then base your drilling off of that cause it could possibly change the strength of some of your drillings. My pap is 4 1/8 inch over and half inch down and am a pretty low tracker

Re-Evolution · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2004, 01:01:30 PM »

RPM MAX
You stated that your track is about 3" from fingers and 1" from thumb.
If this is the case you actually are a high tracker as indicated by the track to thumb distance and you have a lot of axis tilt as indicated by the major difference in finger to track and thumb to track distances.
This high amount of axis tilt can be a good or bad thing, more axis tilt causes more skid/length which is good for the drier side of medium but it generally makes oily conditions your worst enemy.
I know this because I used to have the same kind of track but have learned to vary my axis tilt from virtually none to a high amount like you have and it allows me to handle more conditions without as much lateral and speed adjustments.
Also if your track is that different from your spare then you must do something different when throwing a strike ball. This difference is probably that you turn your wrist at release on your strike ball. The best way that I know to describe the turn of the wrist would be it is like turning a door knob when you place your thumb on top and fingers on bottom and turn counter clockwise (right handed).
The turn of the wrist comes after your thumb clears the ball you will get more axis rotation without the increased axis tilt.
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STORMIN1

Edited on 3/13/2004 1:58 PM

RPM MAX · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2004, 01:17:03 PM »

Basically on my spares I lock my wrist flat and throw hard and straight. My normal release I snap my wrist quite hard must be where I generate all my power from. You are correct stormin on lanes with heavy oil and bad carry down or just greasy back ends I do struggle a bit to get the ball to grip. So I have a lot of axis tilt that is good to know was never sure before. I also find it hard to play down and in is this a common event with some one who has a lot of axis tilt? LOOSE I am flaring to my balance hole but only on low rg balls I only use Brunswick equiptment do you people think it matches up well for a bowler with a lot of axis tilt?

livespive · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2004, 02:03:47 PM »

Might I suggest taking your spare ball, and using it
to throw a stike ball. Seeing as it is a low flaring ball,
it will show you where your track is. you can then take this
and determine your PAP.
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member

Re-Evolution · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2004, 02:28:51 PM »

quote:

Q 1. I also find it hard to play down and in is this a common event with some one who has a lot of axis tilt?
Q 2. I only use Brunswick equiptment do you people think it matches up well for a bowler with a lot of axis tilt?

A 1. When you say you find it hard to play a down and in shot what do you mean by that? over hook (too early or too much angle) under hook (too late or to little angle)

A 2. I would have to think yes Brunswick would match up well considering their reputation as having an earlier rolling balls.
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STORMIN1

RPM MAX · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2004, 02:42:55 PM »

stormin! I find that as I move right on the approach I reduce the tilt I have to a point where it is almost the same as my spare ball I belive this may be to do with the fact I'm a power player and like to open up the shoulders and project the ball right. I find it very hard to square up to play down and in without changing my A game a lot and because I am from europe where we do not get the same quantity of oil as in the states I very rarely have to play out. Is it usual to decrease the tilt as you move right on the approach and play more direct?

Re-Evolution · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2004, 03:12:16 PM »

If anything you would want to increase tilt as you move right because increased tilt means increased skid, but the increased skid also means more flip which can be hard to control.
Without seeing you bowl I can't make any technique suggestions on what you could do to be able to play the down and in other than practice it so you get more comfortable with squaring your shoulders. I have seen a couple of people place there feet to where their heels are centered 1 board to the right of their toes when playing the down and in shot and it seemed to help. They also do this on other shots:

down and in - heels 1 board right
track area - feet straight
open up the lane - heels 1 board left

I have never tried this technique but it works for them.
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STORMIN1

JohnP · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2004, 08:20:59 PM »

RPM MAX -- Next time you have a ball drilled, take it out and throw it before the balance hole is drilled. Observe where the track flares to and put the balance hole in a location so the track doesn't hit it (you can normally go about 2 inches past your PAP safely). If you have any doubt, before you drill the hole put a layer of about 5 pieces of white adhesive tape about 1 inch long where you plan to put the balance hole, then throw it and see if it hits the tape. This will obviously limit your balance hole location, but will also prevent thumping. -- JohnP

tenpinspro · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2004, 01:51:28 PM »

Hi RPM,

The reason you track higher on the plastic is because we don't have the high tech weightblocks in them to help us flare downward. Most of us would track the same with old urethane or non-high tech weightblock balls as well. The pancake weighted balls actually roll upward toward fingers and thumb, if anybody here can remember, people used to roll over their thumbholes but not until the ball was in the latter part of the lane which shows that the track actually flared toward the fingers and thumb.

Your release of 3-4 inches from fingers and 1 inch from thumb also shows that you're hand is on the side of the ball quite a bit and creating a fair amount of "tilt" as the guys are telling you. I'm somewhat close to this when I'm trying to play more of the dry part of the lane because it will produce better skid and then finish.

Your game may have naturally adapted to this release based on the conditions you've been bowling on. As natural athletes, we tend to do whatever necessary to score on the conditions presented to us. If you're exposed to something long enough, you will tend to change and "adapt" without knowing it. (i.e. If the condition were flooded all the time, you'd probably learn to turn the ball pretty hard or throw the ball with lower ball speed) Hope this helps explain some...
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Pro Shop Staff
Vise Grip Staff

Game In a BoxLC · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2004, 02:12:25 PM »

i am a high tracker on my plastic ball i am completely over my thumb hole and next to the fingers.

most of my regular equipment i am right next to the thumb and about an inch off the fingers.

Higher the track the harder it is to get alot of rotation because it has to cover more of the ball, i get 18 rotations with this track and have been told numerous times i could get 20-22 if i learned to lower my track, but yes on drier conditions you can get it thru the front part of the lane easily, on wet tho it becomes more difficult but with correct equipment matchups and moves/hand positions one can hit oilier cnditions well
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The forum whore formerly known as leftycrank300/JasonBogeyLC

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