Author Topic: It is your center and you are in charge of the shot (Read 6640 times)

txbowler · « **on:** December 15, 2009, 05:31:06 AM »

So What Shot are you going to put out today?

Let hear what you would do if you are in charge.

Edited on 12/15/2009 2:34 PM

laddog54 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 15, 2009, 03:50:59 PM »

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i would have like 5 patterns and the league could choose what goes out for their league. so if its the beer leagues and they want china they will it and the higher level scratch league could get something harder if they want. then the sport leagues could obviously have whatever sport pattern they want
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I like this idea but would like to add that on the leagues opting for the harder shot varying the length some. Run it at 40ft for a couple of weeks then take off a foot and run it at 39ft. Make the bowlers move around a little every once in a while.
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rvmark · « **Reply #17 on:** December 15, 2009, 03:55:49 PM »

I like the idea of changing up the shot after 5-6 weeks move to a different shot. The center I bowl in most of the time used to do it and this year we have bowled the entire first half on the same shot. It is a short, low volume pattern with very dry outsides. They guys that like the pattern are the low speed, no rev bowlers or the high speed bowlers power bowlers. It is a tweener nightmare. I would not mind seeing a little more length and a little more volume to the pattern. The center employees tell me that oil costs money, I reply to them that they are $2 higher in lineage than the other centers in town they should be able to afford a little oil.

Everything else aside if I owned a center I would put out a shot that allowed people to score if they made good shots but if they missed by six boards they would be penalized, JMO. I do realize that in order to stay in business that a center needs to put out a shot that the majority of bowlers like to bowl on or they will eventually lose out to competing centers.

Mark

LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 15, 2009, 04:08:56 PM »

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I''m with Global. I would mix it up everyday. Long/Heavy, Long/Light, Short/Heavy, Short/Light, etc.

I would love to see those who are locked in it one way gripe and moan all night. I would love even more to see the great ones actually adjust.

Well said, same idea as me. I like to have to play multiple agnles. Bowling at 3 different allie, 2 of which you don''t know what your getting on any given night makes me play drsty different angles from day to day. Strait up one night, might have to play the big hook the next. Its what is making the bowler that i am becoming.

This is how my fantasy center would be like. I know that it would absolutly be a terrible business strategy, but it sounds fun.
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OddBalls · « **Reply #19 on:** December 15, 2009, 04:20:35 PM »

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Yeah, well some people like Oddballs don't want tough conditions. I believe the majority of serious bowlers would come to my house DESPITE the tough condition as the building would be clean and well kept, nicely decorated, the parking lot smooth and well lit, the pinsetters would be in perfect repair, the lanes surfaces is good condition, plenty of waitresses on hand, GOOD food in the grill, a well known and reputable pro shop with hours duing the EVENING, and drink specials. Not only would they be achieving something on a shot other than the great wall, but they would be doing it in an environment they would enjoy. There wouldn't be a bank vault big enough to hold the money I would make as good, SERIOUS bowlers would flock to my house.

I bowl in PBA experience leagues every year so I can improve my game. You know nothing about my game at all.

I agree with you on all the other aspects as well except for the part about attracting evey serious bowler and making a ton of money. Not gonna happen. Even serious bowlers want a scoreable condition (not a great wall). Not all serious bowlers want a tough condition to bowl in.

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icewall · « **Reply #20 on:** December 15, 2009, 06:04:20 PM »

i would put out a medium-heavy shot giving people a chance to throw the bigger hooking balls BUT i would make it a THS. id rather have a really defined hook spot/friction and just right of that its as if your ball falls off a cliff.

this would make only the accurate bowlers score high, so the scoring pace could be pretty high but only thru quality shots. but enough oil to give the low rev guys a chance to get to the spot as well.

not sure if thats possible but to me thats both exciting but not just a score fest and with the fact that you would get lots of ball reaction should keep SOME bowlers interested.
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TheFreeAgent · « **Reply #21 on:** December 15, 2009, 06:33:07 PM »

You people obviously have no idea about costs, people saying oil 2-3 times a day and 5 differnt patterns and all that. You need one pattern and oil before league, close open play an hour before league.

Atochabsh · « **Reply #22 on:** December 15, 2009, 07:37:55 PM »

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i would have like 5 patterns and the league could choose what goes out for their league.

So let's say you have about 30 leagues in your center. Its a 32 lane center. That's sanctioned leagues not necessarily sanctioned and non sanctioned. And you have a contemporary lane machine.

Now providing you have even 1/2 of your leagues that are familiar with the idea that there are oil patterns. You are going to switch the oiling pattern 30 times a week? And keep track of it and keep your various pin boys and lane mechanics (everyone that runs the machine) aware of what shot is out for each league. Keep in mind that some nights you might have three leagues on the floor at the same time, all with different oiling patterns. This is just not feasable to me.

I agree with Mr. Bowling, that most would be out of business. And rather quickly too, especially if there were other centers in the area.

Erin

pin-chaser · « **Reply #23 on:** December 15, 2009, 08:17:10 PM »

I would put put a 3 to 1 on the left and 4 to 1 on the right, tapper front to back and left to right. I would advertise the shot as fair, not to easy and not to hard. But if you bowl good you will score good. I would also put up $100 cash for each 300/800. This shot would be available all the time so as to "be" the location for bowlers to practice if they want to get better.

I would also advertise that if you want a special pattern to practice on, I would provide it for an hourly rate freshly oiled (outside of league times) when possible or pre-scheduled.

Additionally, I would provide separate acknowledgement for award scores... such as some free practice or discount in proshop or yearly award banquet and year end tournament (including the highest average bowlers...winner to become house bowler of the year.

David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #24 on:** December 15, 2009, 08:21:13 PM »

I''ve thought about this topic for years and figure the "Best" way to keep your business is like this.

about a month before Fall/winter leagues starts advertise in the sport''s page or your local paper and surrounding papers ( once a week ) that "your" bowling alley is offering 300$ or 500$ or w/e your comfortable paying out, for every 300game / 800 series bowled in a sanctioned league. And then put out Kegel''s Challenge Patterns or Sport patterns, but dont tell anyone about it. And change up the pattern every week.

Now some will say, well Place X will put out a easy shot and offer the same amount of $$, well not really cuz if they do and end up paying out for 40 - 300games @ 300$ thats alot of money they are losing. But if you only pay out for 10 - 300''s thats a bit more reasonable... if that many are thrown on the tougher condition...

I did forget to mention on the weekend, Have 2 or 4 lanes, with a Sport Shot pattern on the lanes, for your serious bowlers to bowl on... Hook them up with a decent price, like 1 or 2$ per game.

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Atochabsh · « **Reply #25 on:** December 15, 2009, 11:31:36 PM »

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and yer right all in all it would prolly be more hassle than it's worth but hey at least it would be a center that tries.

Sadly, only a small minority of bowlers care that you have switched up the oil pattern or that you are trying to do so for their entertainment (not torture).

I think maybe the answer is that IF you have the ability to switch patterns efficiently that you offer it to the leagues. Probably most will not take you up on it. All the ladies coffee leagues you can write off. All the senior handicap and 9 pin no tap leagues you can write off. Most of the mixed league handicap leagues you can write off.

But you might find some of the more competative handicap leagues and scratch leagues open to the possibiity of changing the shot in halves or quarters, or thirds. Whatever. But you will still be catering to a small percentage of your customers.

But what a house can do, is offer a weekend or Sunday tournament on a Sport or Kegal or USBC pattern. It can be formatted for scratch and handicap divisions and even 9 pin no tap. We have a league sec. that runs some 9 pin no tap tournaments on the weekends but they are on sport/PBA conditions. And there's a men's and women's division.

Erin

scotts33 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 15, 2009, 11:40:34 PM »

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So What Shot are you going to put out today?

Let hear what you would do if you are in charge.

Do you own the bowling center? How large? How many leagues? Sanctioned? What kind of equipment do you have? What are the skill level of bowlers in your leagues? What are your short term and long term goals? So many factors that you have NOT addressed in your OP. Yadda yadda,
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gparks · « **Reply #27 on:** December 16, 2009, 04:30:09 AM »

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So let's say you have about 30 leagues in your center. Its a 32 lane center. That's sanctioned leagues not necessarily sanctioned and non sanctioned. And you have a contemporary lane machine.

Now providing you have even 1/2 of your leagues that are familiar with the idea that there are oil patterns. You are going to switch the oiling pattern 30 times a week? And keep track of it and keep your various pin boys and lane mechanics (everyone that runs the machine) aware of what shot is out for each league. Keep in mind that some nights you might have three leagues on the floor at the same time, all with different oiling patterns. This is just not feasable to me.

I agree with Mr. Bowling, that most would be out of business. And rather quickly too, especially if there were other centers in the area.

Erin

Understandable and again...that's why you would have one person in charge of that. This is all just an idea of course and no one said it would be easy. We have the custodian ion and it's super easy to organize and set up patterns. To make it easier you'd have to have all leagues for that given night vote on it so you're not trying to run 3 different patterns on 30 lanes. Also I don't think I've ever heard of a center going out of business just because the shot sucked....and yer right all in all it would prolly be more hassle than it's worth but hey at least it would be a center that tries.
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dave i practice at imperial on my lunch break everyonce in a while .i like the house as a whole.clean,people are nice,and the shot is decent.its just too bad i live a hour away or id league bowl there for shure.keep up the good work!!
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kmanestor22 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 16, 2009, 06:09:34 AM »

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i would have like 5 patterns and the league could choose what goes out for their league.

So let's say you have about 30 leagues in your center. Its a 32 lane center. That's sanctioned leagues not necessarily sanctioned and non sanctioned. And you have a contemporary lane machine.

Now providing you have even 1/2 of your leagues that are familiar with the idea that there are oil patterns. You are going to switch the oiling pattern 30 times a week? And keep track of it and keep your various pin boys and lane mechanics (everyone that runs the machine) aware of what shot is out for each league. Keep in mind that some nights you might have three leagues on the floor at the same time, all with different oiling patterns. This is just not feasable to me.

I agree with Mr. Bowling, that most would be out of business. And rather quickly too, especially if there were other centers in the area.

Erin

Contemporary lane conditioning machines hold several patterns and schedules. We had 7 different patterns and the machine put down a particular pattern by simply entering the lane you are oiling and the internal clock's day/time. We put out three different patterns on some nights. It's not only feasible, it's reality.
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 16, 2009, 06:22:30 AM »

The main problem I see with most THS around here, is that they lay down a typical shot but the track area burns up so stinking fast. It would be a flatter version of a standard THS. I would go 40 feet with about 50+ units in the middle. Whereas most THS has only about 3-5 units at the gutter, I would beef it up closer to 10-15. Another thing I would do, unlike some centers around here, is wait until 5:00 - 5:30 to start oiling the lanes for a 6:30 league. Love the places that oil at 2:00 in the after noon and then the league gets whatever is leftover from the open play during the afternoon. Leagues should get a fresh, playable, but not super easy shot so the people in brackets all get a fair shot.
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no300tj · « **Reply #30 on:** December 16, 2009, 06:22:55 AM »

A question for those that work in a center. How much does it cost for the oil to dress one lane?
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Author Topic: It is your center and you are in charge of the shot (Read 6640 times)

txbowler

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