Author Topic: It is your center and you are in charge of the shot (Read 6639 times)

txbowler · « **on:** December 15, 2009, 05:31:06 AM »

So What Shot are you going to put out today?

Let hear what you would do if you are in charge.

Edited on 12/15/2009 2:34 PM

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 16, 2009, 09:12:25 AM »

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The main problem I see with most THS around here, is that they lay down a typical shot but the track area burns up so stinking fast. It would be a flatter version of a standard THS. I would go 40 feet with about 50+ units in the middle. Whereas most THS has only about 3-5 units at the gutter, I would beef it up closer to 10-15. Another thing I would do, unlike some centers around here, is wait until 5:00 - 5:30 to start oiling the lanes for a 6:30 league. Love the places that oil at 2:00 in the after noon and then the league gets whatever is leftover from the open play during the afternoon. Leagues should get a fresh, playable, but not super easy shot so the people in brackets all get a fair shot.
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If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

If you put 10 units outside, you'd have to shorten the shot. Shorten the shot and you lose hold in the middle. The best way to get the lanes to hold up and still keep the scores high is to put out a blended pattern, more of a ramp than a top hat. This allows for multiple angles of attack. The only way this type of shot burns up too quickly is if you have everyone playing the exact same line. Putting out heavy oil doesn't make the shot last longer, it has the opposite effect. It forces everyone right into the same spot.
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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 16, 2009, 09:52:09 AM »

I would go with a christmas tree pattern with a little higher amount of oil then usual. Watch the honor scores roll in and everyone say how that place is a jewelry box.

Keep the place clean, the shot consistent, and have a nice snack bar. A couple nice TVs for sports and other events that occur during league.(like monday and thursday night football)

Update the place every couple of years and count my money. I live 35 minutes from a place like that, minus the snack bar.

The owner is a bowler. The lanes and house is spotless. The shot is consistent year to year since I can''''t remember when.
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Tex · « **Reply #33 on:** December 17, 2009, 04:06:00 PM »

Once the Red,white and blue are available I would offer leagues that option. Until then, I would use one shot for my mixed leagues and a different for my 5 man competitive league. I would try and hold the shot as consistent as possible and make sure that I did not make changes based on my personal performance or any particular person. If I could pull a miracle, I would like the shots to be as balanced from left to right as possible. So, the pattern would likely be different from one side to the other. Since we have a wick machine might take me a little bit to figure out what adjustments are needed throughout the year to maintain the pattern based on weather, temperatures, etc. I would offer the mixed leagues the chance to use the tougher pattern if they wanted.

AdrianS · « **Reply #34 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:24:11 PM »

If its the modified shark i just had the last 12 weeks of my wednesday night leauge on i'd be pretty happy. The outside opens up if u like the swing shot and you have to pay attention to where your feet are after a while.

In my old house the techs let me at the oil machine, i averaged 203 and everyone thought i was setting the lanes up for myself!!!!(plenty of other people went up too) I leave that town and go back there a few months back and the top average is the new mamnager with 180!!!! Pity people cant tell when they're getting some help.
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Uncle Remus · « **Reply #35 on:** December 17, 2009, 11:16:04 PM »

Who would like to face the bowlers in a handicap tournament once they have set their average in a house with a tough shot. Join a PBA experience league if you are looking for a challenge. All other leagues should use THS.

David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #36 on:** December 17, 2009, 11:21:08 PM »

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The main problem I see with most THS around here, is that they lay down a typical shot but the track area burns up so stinking fast. It would be a flatter version of a standard THS. I would go 40 feet with about 50+ units in the middle. Whereas most THS has only about 3-5 units at the gutter, I would beef it up closer to 10-15. Another thing I would do, unlike some centers around here, is wait until 5:00 - 5:30 to start oiling the lanes for a 6:30 league. Love the places that oil at 2:00 in the after noon and then the league gets whatever is leftover from the open play during the afternoon. Leagues should get a fresh, playable, but not super easy shot so the people in brackets all get a fair shot.
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Pro Shop Operator
Striking Results Pro Shop
Red Carpet Lanes
Duluth (NE Atlanta), Georgia

If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

Twoshot, that kinda reminds me of a nite a friend told me about, it was a few yrs back and i think everyone had a snow day or it was during christmas break, well the house had open bowling on the fresh shot basically right till 5 or 530, well the manager decided to put down oil, over the oil that was already down. And with all the carrry down he said the shot was so over under that the only shot he had was with his old urethane Warhawk, i believe... And he was pipe'n it right up 12....
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JoshY · « **Reply #37 on:** December 18, 2009, 01:04:21 AM »

I love how the ts asks which pattern everyone would put out and it turns into bowling tycoon.lol

For the record I would put out a 40 ft flat pattern applied with a bug sprayer.

I have always dreamed of doing this just one night for one league. The results would be epic.

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:47:13 AM »

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My house shot would be a modified Shark pattern. The older seniors and women would benefit from the hold area, and the scratch bowlers would get a very playable shot that would reward a combination of power and accuracy.

I would try to give my scratch leagues the level of challenge they desire but would not give them unlimited swing.

Better get someone else to start your car. Women don't need long, heavy oil. They carry it down themselves. Seniors may benefit from the length because if their slow ball speeds, but they definitely don't need volume. They don't have the hand to get it back if you give them too much oil. League bowlers would be okay with the Shark at first, but the heads go way too quickly. Seniors/ladies/men: that's three totally different types of bowlers, so you need three different shots. That's the way I oiled.
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LordWalrus · « **Reply #39 on:** December 18, 2009, 08:18:36 AM »

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A question for those that work in a center. How much does it cost for the oil to dress one lane?

I'd like to know too. I hear centers complain about the cost of oiling but they keep the numbers a secret.
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jbuzz31 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 18, 2009, 08:32:25 AM »

41' Flat from 4board to 4board, bone dry from there to the gutter, med heavy volume , double stripped back ends.
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jbuzz31 · « **Reply #41 on:** December 18, 2009, 08:35:37 AM »

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And, on Sat. night I would hire a rock band.

Bring in Stripper poles

Cash Bar

Chinese Buffet

Give out prizes with Strikes on red head pin

Have a rip roaring good time.

I would make more on that night than all of the other days combined.

Very good idea. Well minus the chinese buffet. Maybe just hire like an actual chef of some sort to run a little cafe style thing instead of a "snack bar"

And get rid of the stipper pole , miss out on money from the sub 18 crowd. otherwise good idea.
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n00dlejester · « **Reply #42 on:** December 18, 2009, 08:59:08 AM »

I'd probably throw down one of them Kegel patterns that are in between the 11:1 house shots and 2:1 grind-em-out patterns. 38 feet or so, with a decent amount of oil and some of that funneling effect.

But I would offer the option of giving leagues an easier or more difficult pattern for their league. I'd rather my leagues do their own thinking than me dictate what they want.

I'd also definitely run a weekly or monthly king of the hill tournament and try to attract the local guys who love side action.

Keep the place clean, have good beer, and try my best to keep it well maintained. Make sure everybody in my leagues have fun, because that's what matters the most.
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Crash7189 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 18, 2009, 11:06:58 AM »

In My town it is hard to find any one to put out a sport shot. I have to drive 54 miles to find a center that will. I have tried to get the owner of our center to get a sport league for 5 years. He said no one would join. So this year he gave in, to use the Kegal Challenge series oil patterns for 1 league for a half a season. right now no one has sign up but me. All the high ave Bowlers are chicken s--t in this house. it's not even a true sport shot.

So if I was in charge I would put out a little tougher shot and not tell any one. but not to kill my Biz. They are here to make money not please us serious bowlers. I can not believe how many house bowlers brag how great they are but will not join a sport league. Then complain how tuff the UBSC Nationals are when they bowl a 1500 in all events. They say I brought the wrong ball. I would love to bowl Mult league's on a sport shot in Mult centers good luck in this town. We do have a regional pro in our league, he said he has been trying for a PBA league in the area and no owner will commit. He has 5 regional and 1 national title so I respect him as a bowler and he has to bowl THS and hates it. How are we going to get better as bowlers if we do not challenge our self's.

THS Is Bowlers welfare. You want it. But do not want to work hard for it. So we should make so easy that everyone gets a 300 no body loses every one gets a trophy.

Sorry for the rant but THS will kill bowling

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #44 on:** December 18, 2009, 12:26:42 PM »

The Great Wall of China is not the best pattern for your everyday house league. I hate to tell all you guys but it is not the way it is.

The big top hat oil pattern is not as helpful as many think. The Great Wall helps those that do not want or do not know how to adjust.

Let the truth be told a Christmas tree pattern with decent volume and a good length is the most scoreable pattern available. The multiple angles available to the various styles of bowler will make everybody happy.

The length and volume of the pattern will depend on the lane surface. Wood lanes will require a heavier and longer pattern while something like low friction synthetics will need less volume and length.

On the average 41-42 feet to the end of the oil with a volume of 55-60 units in the center of the heads will normally suit most wood houses.
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Atochabsh · « **Reply #45 on:** December 18, 2009, 12:39:32 PM »

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I would love to bowl Mult league's on a sport shot in Mult centers good luck in this town. We do have a regional pro in our league, he said he has been trying for a PBA league in the area and no owner will commit.

Instead of trying to get the owner/manager to commit to a league format, maybe you could start smaller. Say weekend tournament (Sunday afternoon?) on a PBA shot. Run the tournament for 5 weeks, one week for each pattern. Make it handicapped and possibly 9 pin no tap. And make it cheap to enter. Start out slow. Of course your PBA guy probably should not bowl in it, since he will scare away your house bowlers that you are trying to get interested in PBA shots. This way the bowlers are not committing to weeks of league play on what could be terribly deflating conditions and your manager/owner isn't either. But it could still give the house bowlers a taste of the PBA Shots. A house bowler might be willing to try a small tournament but not a full league schedule. If all goes well, then maybe go to regular bowling (not 9 pin no tap) and create a scratch and handicap division.

Or since you do have a PBA guy in your area, maybe he would run a short clinic each weekend on one of the patterns. Charge $20 a person, for maybe 45 min -hour of instruction and laneplay examples (from your pro guy), how to read the lane graph and then 45 min or so of guided bowling. No competition.

The goal would be to demystify the PBA shots (not make them easy) by getting people out on them without too much of a time or financial investment. If all goes well, then maybe a summer league or a short winter league will have some interest. If not, then you've at least tried something different.

Erin

Author Topic: It is your center and you are in charge of the shot (Read 6639 times)

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