Post by: Magic Carpet on July 20, 2004, 12:46:52 AM
My god PBA give this man a job, a big paying job.
Ron Clifton
Post by: MTFD24 on July 20, 2004, 04:06:15 PM
Just think about Tom Baker and how he could have also easily been doing what Roth is doing this summer. Roth is not alone, bowling has never been a sport that one could retire from at age 45-50, and live their life out comfortably. There certainly is not the monies there as in most sports.
We at the "old ages" of 45 plus can still bowl somewhat competitively, and successfully. But how many at 45 plus can still be competitive in football, baseball or hockey. Possibly golf, but that too is becoming a more difficult. At least in golf they have a Seniors Tour that is successful.
We have MANY MANY seniors that are in their late 60's, 70's, and 80's that still bowl regularly in leagues, and not only Senior Leagues. Other than a few in tennis, and in golf where do you find this>
IMHO, bowling is truly a great sport, unfortunately it does not command the dollars professionally.
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www.BowlWNY.com - local & national stories by Joe Ciccone
http://www.FDracing.com The worlds fastest firemen in the origional Xtreme Games
24 is not my age, IQ, or bowling average, but my firematic number, at least I think that what it is
Post by: MarvinsSkeleton on July 20, 2004, 04:21:56 PM
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What, like the back of a Volkswagen?
Post by: Fluxuateher on July 20, 2004, 04:39:22 PM
But look at it from his side. He has no regrets, he enjoyed his time up to now, he doesn't seem all that bothered.
Post by: JOE FALCO on July 20, 2004, 04:40:04 PM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: a_ak57 on July 20, 2004, 04:44:24 PM
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Post by: DanH78 on July 20, 2004, 04:49:13 PM
He sounds like he's happy, he's still participating in the sport that he loves, both on and off the lane. And he has a good wife (at least that's what the article says)
How many people on this board enjoy their work?
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 20, 2004, 04:58:48 PM
Today's new class of criminals = divorced men who's income has declined.
I feel his pain.
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: mrbowlingnut on July 20, 2004, 05:08:07 PM
Would it not be smarter to have a pension fund like a workers union so they can stop complaining that the PBA owes them a living??? I am sure if they had better player managers than they currently have it would be run as a real union or business. So when i ran my business badly are any of you going to provide me with a job??? I know the answer and that is why we must plan ahead and get educations for our children and make sure it stops here. Stop idolizing these sports stars and maybe they will not get 20 million a year too throw a ball. This is my opinion and i value yours as i hope you value mine so let the slamming begin!!
Edited on 7/20/2004 5:07 PM
Post by: smash9 on July 20, 2004, 05:08:41 PM
Post by: JOE FALCO on July 20, 2004, 05:20:11 PM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: mumzie on July 20, 2004, 05:34:45 PM
It was really cool. I mentioned the "1977 (or 78?)Bowling Spectacular" that was held in 1977 - collegiate national championships, amateur national championship, and professional mixed doubles all under one roof the same week. I was there for the collegiate tournament - he was there to bowl doubles.
When I told him that I was there with San Jose State, his response was "yeah, I remember you ladies. You could really throw a bowlin' ball."
I was soooooo thrilled!!!
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All things are difficult
before they are easy.
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Post by: intergalactic on July 20, 2004, 05:36:31 PM
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A man who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes a man that doesn't is a fool for a lifetime.
Post by: MTFD24 on July 20, 2004, 06:05:41 PM
The point I attempted to earlier, is that it there is no money to be made by the "former" stars of our beloved sport, as there is in some others. And the monies made during their "glory days" was nowhere near other sports. So, they come back to the "normal" life. Oft times those bowlers did not acquire an education, so they do not have the "skills" to obtain higher paying positions. This is especially true if looking outside the bowling industry for employment.
Wouldn't it be nice to have the sponsors, and the PBA, promote these fantastic bowlers. Personally, I wish they would hold some Senior events close by so I could attend.
I don't believe anyone is going to say anyone OWES them anything, but it would be nice to offer them a chance to continue in the sport, at somewhat of a lucrative level.
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The Older We Get, The Better We Were
www.MTFD.com - a NY State Vol. Fire Department
www.BowlWNY.com - local & national stories by Joe Ciccone
http://www.FDracing.com The worlds fastest firemen in the origional Xtreme Games
24 is not my age, IQ, or bowling average, but my firematic number, at least I think that what it is
Post by: 9orbetter on July 20, 2004, 06:09:18 PM
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We all can hit the pocket,just carry the damn corners
Post by: janderson on July 20, 2004, 06:23:41 PM
I agree with DanH78 on this one. Roth (in the article) doesn't come across as being unhappy or ticked off. With his attitude, do you really think he'd "settle" for something he didn't want? Heck no, he'd go out there and pound away until he got what he wanted.
If you ever get a chance to bowl with him, jump at the chance. He's a great guy with a winner's attitude who loves bowling through and through.
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Kill the back row (or maybe this should read "make your spares, dummy")
Post by: LuvThatWhiteDot on July 20, 2004, 08:34:21 PM
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I bowled a Sr pro am here a couple of years ago, and one of the pros I bowled with was Mr. Roth.
I have bowled with Mark Roth twice in pro ams, and the last time I saw him at Taylor Lanes I got him to autograph a miniature Brunswick Gold Rhino
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Post by: LuckyLefty on July 20, 2004, 10:31:45 PM
You and I agree on a lot of things. Both business owners, both divorced.
Like a lot of the same balls etc. This is not the only pro athlete that I know in a minor sport who has been wrecked by Divorce combined with the fact the sport is not that big of a deal money wise. I mean these guys are national celebrities and in bowling they often made less than middle level managers in their best years.
These other guys I knew their ex wife went after them and won. They've got the money and the well known athletes live with friends. It really is sad.
Think of these men who have been put in this position and the terrible outcomes.
Roscoe Tanner - Wimbledon finalist currently in jail. (other factors possibly).
Bobby Brown recently put in jail for not being able to pay child support as his income has reduced(got out).
Rae Carruth encouraged or allowed some friend to shoot up his ex girlfriend life in prison(I know the woman is dead and I guess worse off), what drove him to do such a crazy thing? I don't condone it but Divorced men do understand how crazy it can get!
I've always been amazed at Pete Weber with his many ex wives and children??? Continuing to do okay.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS let's face it, if you are a man and you have kids and get divorced in America in many cases you are toast for life! (Unless your new wife is getting child support). Then you are travelling the world on Bahamas vacations! Like my ex and her boyfriend. Livin the Viva Loca!!!! Ya Ya!
Edited on 7/20/2004 10:29 PM
Post by: DavidKSNK on July 21, 2004, 12:25:15 AM
It was well written and I think Mark Roth has something most never achieve in their lifetime. Satisfaction and comfort. He does not in the least bit seem to be annoyed or down about his position in life. He seems to be perfectly content, which is more than can be said about many out there. Proof of why he will always be the man.
Post by: ambi1 on July 21, 2004, 12:44:15 AM
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I don't see anything to cry about in reading this article.
It was well written and I think Mark Roth has something most never achieve in their lifetime. Satisfaction and comfort. He does not in the least bit seem to be annoyed or down about his position in life. He seems to be perfectly content, which is more than can be said about many out there. Proof of why he will always be the man.
I totally agree, there is a small hint of wistfullness for things that should have or should be (read PBA), but all in all, he seems to be content.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 22, 2004, 10:07:49 AM
We've actually seen this problem in various sports for past players who do not invest their money wisely and have maybe had some hard luck in life as well. Anthony owned a center out here by me in Cal, Steve Cook owns a distributorship I buy from and Billy Hardwick(great guy I met) also owns a center I know of in Tennessee. Just a few gentlemen who invested their money a little more wisely or were maybe just a little more lucky in their business ventures.
I don't feel bad for Roth, he sounds happy. I feel for his hard luck in life but we've all had that to some degree, heck, I feel bad for LL right now too. If Roth really wanted to, I'm sure he could've gotten a position travelling the nation being a ball rep or something. That's where you'll see a lot of the ex-pba guys these days.
We all make decisions that lead us down different paths in life, his took him to Florida for the time being, that's all.
Rick