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Gizmo823

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Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« on: January 06, 2014, 08:29:44 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfuRaHrpogE

For those that haven't seen it or heard of it yet.  I don't know how much it costs, but the results appear to be there. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

 

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Re: Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2014, 03:51:35 PM »
Gizmo,
Is this an assumption that you are making, that it goes deeper than hot air in an oven, or is this fact?

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Re: Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2014, 04:11:26 PM »
All the "ultrasonics" do is introduce a mechanical wash into the system.  All they do is form micron sized bubbles within the medium thru cavitation. The sound waves produce the cavitation.  There is a lot of thermal energy stored within these bubbles and when they hit the surface of the ball, viola, a "mechanical" process is created to lift the oil out of the pores.  Our company uses ultrasonics in addition to heated solution to clean parts before processing.

Its not rocket science, de-oiling a bowling ball.  Heat in some way, physcially have a way for oil to be taken away from surface of ball.  Air, water, towel, dishwasher jets, whatever you want to use, use it.  All these methods, Rejuvenator, Innovative, Jayhawk, dishwasher, bath tub under running water are the same.  They heat the ball and remove the oil that comes out.  Arguing about it is like arguing which beer is better or whether Ford is better than Chevy.   
Long Gone also posts the honest truth which is why i respect him. He posts these things knowing some may not like it.

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Re: Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2014, 04:32:07 PM »
No problem. There's a reason food thaws quicker under cold running water vs a counter top at room temperature.  Get and ice cube and try it under cold running water then at room temp or an oven. Its very interesting.

My vid will be edited and up in the morning.


I checked out the vid. Nice work. I wish I had your video production skills.


You definitely proved the fastest method for melting an ice cube. I'm not a scientist, so I don't know if demonstrating methods for melting ice absolutely translates to efficiency in oil extraction. For the sake of argument, I'll accept the principle -- heat transfer through water is a more efficient transfer method than heat through air.


But what I'm equally interested in is final effectiveness. Elapsed time aside, are you saying that water based methods will extract more oil from the ball than air?? In other words, if you evaluate the Brunswick study and their conclusions:


http://www.innovativebowling.com/products/brunswick%20oven%20research.html


Would they have reported more effective results if they had used a water based method instead of controlled hot air in a ball oven?? Given Brunswick's conclusions, I'm not sure there is much room for a more positive outcome, but I'd like to hear your insights.


Glad you enjoyed, thank you.

The only point for the video is to prove as mentioned earlier because water is denser then air (mass property) it will work faster. Not better, not deeper, just faster. We will still use ovens as a heat source for food but it isn't the only one. Once the ball is to the correct temp range to sweat oil the same goals are accomplished.

I have no idea what ultrasonic means in reference to the detox. I put it with the rest of the marketing/sales pitches you will se to see any item. Because saying it is a hot ball bath isn't really helpful for an $1800 product. In the video the main point I got from it was it was safer because it doesn't exceed 125 degrees. That means little to me for many reason. Mainly because I can hit that same number via air or water.

…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2014, 04:51:13 PM »
LGD,

Everyone knows, Chevy makes better cars, Ford makes better trucks. ;)

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Re: Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2014, 05:11:29 PM »
After reading around I think the key word here is the ultrasonic. Once you google it you see plenty of ultrasonic cleaners available. It become more evident that this is what is used and repackaged to make the product you see. Similar to what we have seen else where with other products. judging by the common sizes available it also explains more to me why this device doesn't completely submerge the ball. Most units have a depth of 6-7".

Most bowling items are just that, repurposed items from other fields.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2014, 06:03:40 PM »
Ultra sonic cleaning basically uses frequencies to create microscopic bubbles that expand and collapse on themselves to clean an object.  The size of the bubble is controlled by what frequency is used.  This technique is used to clean or penetrate into spaces that other cleaning methods cannot get into.  Since bowling balls are very porous, ultra sonic is a great way to deep clean the oil and dirt from the pores of a ball.  If you have ever had your jewelry or watches cleaned they will be put into an ultra sonic bath.  It is also widely used in many other fields such as plastics, medical, electronic, and automotive to name a few.

I will always recommend taking bowling balls to your favorite pro shop to be serviced and taken care of.  Our company and others that sell similar items have all developed great products to help bowlers bowl better.  We feel that the Detox does a great job and have been extremely happy with the results.  For those that like to DIY at home, I feel that the water bucket method is the easiest to control the temp and does the best at home job.  The water bucket method I believe was first recommended by MoRich several years ago for people that wanted to take better care of their equipment at home.  Even for those that like to do this, I would still recommend to take your ball into a pro shop every other DIY time to use their professional oil extraction method that is specifically designed for bowling balls. 

"Detox figjam time"
I just recently Detoxed a DV8 Ruckus after I was noticing some reaction loss and the need to square up more to use it.  After Detoxing I had 3 800 sets and 3 300s including the back 20 strikes and the front 17 strikes the next week.  I was able to open up a lane like when the ball was new and the ball was driving thru the pins like new.  Sorry for the figjam, but I feel the reaction gained from the Detox helped me in shooting these scores.

Hopefully everyone will get a chance to try this new product out soon and determine the results for themselves.  From the people that we have used the Detox on, they all have been very impressed with the results.  I'm always happy if I can make another bowler happy, whether it be thru training, technology or scores.

Best Regards to all,

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Re: Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2014, 06:08:14 PM »
How does the effectiveness of this method compare to that of other units designed to de-oil balls?

Also, I will but theree of the units if you will give me your bowling skills. Or, just promise that I will have similar results after I use it to clean my balls.

Ultra sonic cleaning basically uses frequencies to create microscopic bubbles that expand and collapse on themselves to clean an object.  The size of the bubble is controlled by what frequency is used.  This technique is used to clean or penetrate into spaces that other cleaning methods cannot get into.  Since bowling balls are very porous, ultra sonic is a great way to deep clean the oil and dirt from the pores of a ball.  If you have ever had your jewelry or watches cleaned they will be put into an ultra sonic bath.  It is also widely used in many other fields such as plastics, medical, electronic, and automotive to name a few.

I will always recommend taking bowling balls to your favorite pro shop to be serviced and taken care of.  Our company and others that sell similar items have all developed great products to help bowlers bowl better.  We feel that the Detox does a great job and have been extremely happy with the results.  For those that like to DIY at home, I feel that the water bucket method is the easiest to control the temp and does the best at home job.  The water bucket method I believe was first recommended by MoRich several years ago for people that wanted to take better care of their equipment at home.  Even for those that like to do this, I would still recommend to take your ball into a pro shop every other DIY time to use their professional oil extraction method that is specifically designed for bowling balls. 

"Detox figjam time"
I just recently Detoxed a DV8 Ruckus after I was noticing some reaction loss and the need to square up more to use it.  After Detoxing I had 3 800 sets and 3 300s including the back 20 strikes and the front 17 strikes the next week.  I was able to open up a lane like when the ball was new and the ball was driving thru the pins like new.  Sorry for the figjam, but I feel the reaction gained from the Detox helped me in shooting these scores.

Hopefully everyone will get a chance to try this new product out soon and determine the results for themselves.  From the people that we have used the Detox on, they all have been very impressed with the results.  I'm always happy if I can make another bowler happy, whether it be thru training, technology or scores.

Best Regards to all,


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Re: Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2014, 01:09:17 AM »
An alternative which is 5-6 times cheaper..If you can get it from China.

Watch the photo as it's coded in chinese. It has tempeture and time control.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15928366388&ali_trackid=2:mm_11309660_4306316_14532435,0:1389251248_6k5_969468713&spm=a230z.1.5634029.185.z0Nj5v

kidlost2000

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Re: Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2014, 01:17:37 AM »
Just google ultrasonic there sold here all over ebay ect. Used for cleaning tools, jewelry,  ect.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

Gizmo823

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Re: Jayhawk Detox, check it out!
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2014, 07:36:49 AM »
The Detox keeps you from getting water in the thumbhole though . .  I guess I should have just kept my mouth shut.  Bowlers will always be bowlers.

An alternative which is 5-6 times cheaper..If you can get it from China.

Watch the photo as it's coded in chinese. It has tempeture and time control.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15928366388&ali_trackid=2:mm_11309660_4306316_14532435,0:1389251248_6k5_969468713&spm=a230z.1.5634029.185.z0Nj5v
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?