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Ratt_bowling

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Jayhawk Detox
« on: March 17, 2015, 09:43:58 PM »
Anyone tried it yet?

 

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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2015, 09:40:13 AM »
Yeah my pro shop got one in it works good interesting to see the water turn to milk like from all the oil we have pulled out of some balls

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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2015, 10:54:57 AM »
Yeah, I have one at my shop and have run several hundred treatments.  Way past the real deal, I swear by it.  I don't advertise it at all, but I get tons of referrals.  People get it done, it surprises them at how well it works, and they send others to me.  Extremely effective piece of equipment. 
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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2015, 10:44:17 PM »
IZTPS has it changed your advice on how often to have oil extracted?  Isn't the usual advice about 100 games?  Just curious because of how new it is AND because it is so visual compared to the Rejuvenator.

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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2015, 07:06:03 AM »
No, the recommendation is the same for everyone.  When you start to notice performance loss, that's when it NEEDS to be done.  Now, the accelerator solution has a cleaner in it, so it gets a super deep clean while it's taking the oil out.  It's great for preventative maintenance, but the thing you have to understand that some people have had some trouble with is that if you Detox your ball before it's started to lose performance, you're going to run the treatment and notice zero difference in ball reaction.  If there's no oil to be removed, it won't remove any, which will result in no change or net gain in ball reaction. 

I don't know how other shops handle it, but if someone brings a ball in for a Detox, and I start the treatment and nothing comes out, I take it right back out and don't charge them.  The previous manager of the shop would just run the treatment and charge them for it regardless of if there had actually been any oil in the ball, but that resulted in people who had treatments done on stuff that reacted fine before going out and seeing no difference in reaction and saying it was a piece of junk and didn't work.  It's not a super charger, it won't add reaction to the ball, it simply removes oil and gives it a great deep clean.  You can have treatments done as often as you like, just keep in perspective what the goal is and how it actually functions. 

IZTPS has it changed your advice on how often to have oil extracted?  Isn't the usual advice about 100 games?  Just curious because of how new it is AND because it is so visual compared to the Rejuvenator.
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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2015, 08:19:04 AM »
Now I wish they had a "Find Locations" option to let me know where the nearest one is!

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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 08:21:56 AM »
Haha yeah, but you can get in touch with Jayhawk Bowling Supply either on here, Facebook, or give them a call, and they have records of where they've sold them to and should be able to let you know what is closest to you. 

Now I wish they had a "Find Locations" option to let me know where the nearest one is!
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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2015, 12:34:05 PM »
Is it more effective than a plastic bucket with a light bulb in it?  I heard some super high average bowlers swear by that method. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)   
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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2015, 01:58:13 PM »
Lol yes . . yes I believe it is. 

Is it more effective than a plastic bucket with a light bulb in it?  I heard some super high average bowlers swear by that method. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2015, 02:26:57 PM »
Is it more effective than a plastic bucket with a light bulb in it?  I heard some super high average bowlers swear by that method. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

There have been several informed discussions here on the effectiveness of "Revivor" type ball ovens, where thermostatically controlled dry heat is used to extract oil from the ball. The bottom line is that it works. In fact, Mo Pinel, who you recently labeled as a genius on another site, highly recommends dry heat for oil extraction:
 
http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=262
 
Does controlled dry heat work better that the Jayhawk Detox? I don't know if any study has been done, but I'll take ITZPS's recommendations for it's effectiveness. Detox certainly meets  requirements for thermostatic control, and the ability view what's extracted from the ball. 
 
BTW, the absence of thermostatic control is the primary reason Mo Pinel has concluded that dishwashers are inferior to Revivor type ovens for oil extraction. Add that you have no way of knowing how much (if any) oil is extracted in a dishwasher, eliminating this method for consideration is a no-brainer.
 
There is lot more to be learned on the subject if you use the search function. Make it your friend.
   

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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2015, 03:11:04 PM »
Old information that was disproved by actual dishwasher manufacturers information.  Mo Pinel recommended himself hot water bath.  Spare it for somebody who actually thinks you know what you're talking about.
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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2015, 04:04:43 PM »
Old information that was disproved by actual dishwasher manufacturers information.  Mo Pinel recommended himself hot water bath.  Spare it for somebody who actually thinks you know what you're talking about.

Actually, Mo recommended the hot water bucket method as a secondary option for those who do not have access to his first choice Revivior type oven. He was very clear on this when his previous company website was active.
 
And as I write this, I'm staring at my KitchenAid Dishwasher manual, which says I can't keep the water temperature below 135 degrees on the "Normal" cycle. That's 10 degrees hotter than many ball manufacturer warranty heat thresholds.
 
If you have real links to disprove what I've posted, produce them. If you believe Mo Pinel has modified his positions, link where he's posted it. Otherwise, you're blowing the same smoke you polluted the site with under your many other banned ID's. As usual, thanks for your anal non-contibutions.  ??? 

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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2015, 04:37:42 PM »
Does it get lonely on that island of ignorance and arrogance you've built for yourself and are stranded on?  Nah, gotta remember who we're talking about here.  You've never respected another person's opinion about anything no matter how many people tell you otherwise.  Go save those dolphins from the oil washing down the drains after people use their dishwashers to de-oil.  You do remember how you got laughed off of two sites over that classic, don't you?

HamPster or ITZPS, your method sounds pretty cool.  Would love to see how much oil comes out of ball in the DETOX after I've run it through the dishwasher.  Nothing comes out in a Rejuvenator after the dishwasher.  If I recall, the DETOX has ultrasonics going on in it. 

Anywhoo, for those who don't think they know it all and feel they have room to learn, and like to make their own decisions, here is a link.  http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5304&start=0

Lots of good posts, some from a PhD in chemistry.  Even Mo himself says he is stating his opinion.     
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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2015, 05:27:42 PM »
Just as I suspected. I asked you to provide hard evidence (bowling industry experts, published manufacturer studies, etc) disputing what I presented. Instead, you, start with a diversionary personal attack, and finished with a link to a thread that ironically mostly supports my point. Mo Pinel and others convincingly posted support for thermostatically controlled air vs. the bucket/dishwasher. So let me get this straight. Mo is a "Genius' when it fits your needs, and he's just issuing "opinions' when it doesn't satisfy your agenda. Typical.  ::)
   
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Re: Jayhawk Detox
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2015, 06:15:27 PM »
ITZPS, has the Jayhawk unit extracted any oil from Motiv balls---especially the Sigma Sting?
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