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Coolerman

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Jeff Carter Rumors
« on: October 16, 2009, 04:37:47 AM »
Jeff I'm hearing rumors regarding your bowling career.The rumors are not good.I will not go
any further because I don't know if they are true,but if it is something that you can tell us please
set me straight.
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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2009, 08:57:55 PM »
Quite honestly I think the tour is heading in the wrong direction. I don't think the WSOB was as great as it was hyped up to be. Also, the players only got part of their prize money...not the full amount they won and having to wait to be paid "after" the shows airs. This is not a good situation because it tells me the future of the tour is in big jeopardy and the possibility exists that this may be the last season. Not a lot of sponsorship money out there because of the wrecked economy. Without sponsorship money the tour cannot exist. The ball manufacturers are not going to be able to foot the bill much longer because they too are hurt by the economy.
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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2009, 09:53:02 PM »
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Quite honestly I think the tour is heading in the wrong direction. I don't think the WSOB was as great as it was hyped up to be. Also, the players only got part of their prize money...not the full amount they won and having to wait to be paid "after" the shows airs. This is not a good situation because it tells me the future of the tour is in big jeopardy and the possibility exists that this may be the last season. Not a lot of sponsorship money out there because of the wrecked economy. Without sponsorship money the tour cannot exist. The ball manufacturers are not going to be able to foot the bill much longer because they too are hurt by the economy.
True. I have bought only 1 ball this year.
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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2009, 10:06:22 PM »
Yet the PGA Tour has between 2-40 million dollars per scheduled event??

http://frankosport.us/golf/Purse/index.html

How can they get that kind of sponsorship yet bowling can't? Golf is more boring then bowling. It is more difficult but bowling on the pattern's on tour aren't as easy either. Make's no sense to me. Same for the World Series of Poker, just saw a commercial for a new tournament soon with a purse of 8.4 mill??
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Mike Zadler

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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2009, 10:12:01 PM »
This is probably the most foolish a thread I've ever seen on this site, and that's saying something.

Jeff Carter doesn't owe us a damned thing.

Please, pm him and find out what you need to in private and remove this thread immediately.
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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2009, 10:14:27 PM »
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Yet the PGA Tour has between 2-40 million dollars per scheduled event??

http://frankosport.us/golf/Purse/index.html

How can they get that kind of sponsorship yet bowling can't? Golf is more boring then bowling. It is more difficult but bowling on the pattern's on tour aren't as easy either. Make's no sense to me. Same for the World Series of Poker, just saw a commercial for a new tournament soon with a purse of 8.4 mill??
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There was a story on espn radio that a lot of the pga tour sponsorships are up for renewal and they figure they may have issues with some. A lot of commitments were made before the collapse of everything. World series of poker is mostly playing with your own money I do believe.
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Russell

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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2009, 10:18:40 PM »
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Yet the PGA Tour has between 2-40 million dollars per scheduled event??

http://frankosport.us/golf/Purse/index.html

How can they get that kind of sponsorship yet bowling can't? Golf is more boring then bowling. It is more difficult but bowling on the pattern's on tour aren't as easy either. Make's no sense to me. Same for the World Series of Poker, just saw a commercial for a new tournament soon with a purse of 8.4 mill??
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This is a discussion for another thread....but credibility is the main problem.  Why would you pay top dollar to sponsor a sport where the people on TV are scoring lower than some guy on a Wednesday classic league?

You can't go to a local course on Saturday morning and see guys shaping it like Tiger...or hitting it as long and straight as JB Holmes....

but there is no shortage of 230 average bowlers revving it up and throwing it right.
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DON DRAPER

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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2009, 10:30:00 PM »
whatever jeff carter decides to do i wish him all the best. i was able to meet him and he's a class act.....too bad there aren't more pba members like him.
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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2009, 10:41:35 PM »
Russell,
Although I agree with you, as far as TV goes, bowling at it's heart is about throwing a ball down a certain amount of feet and knocking down 10 pins. This action is only important to other bowlers. To the masses, it is pretty boring from a visual aspect. Bowling is only exciting to us bowlers. To the rest, it's like watching snails crawl and always will be in the modern era. The only way to make bowling like it was(in the old days when people had nothing to do)is to make it major action(like poker) where tons of money are involved.
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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2009, 10:55:50 PM »
You should know that the official Jeff Carter fan club wouldn't like a post about his career possibly ending.  If he leaves, whose butt would everyone kiss?
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Jay

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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2009, 11:23:30 PM »
Jeff Carter is coming to my home town for a clinic.

Do with that what you will.
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Kid Jete

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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2009, 11:53:06 PM »
Too bad Jeff Carter isn't POTUS, this site might have a shot at actually becoming a bowling discussion forum.
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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2009, 01:26:38 AM »
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....as far as TV goes, bowling at it's heart is about throwing a ball down a certain amount of feet and knocking down 10 pins. This action is only important to other bowlers. To the masses, it is pretty boring from a visual aspect. Bowling is only exciting to us bowlers. To the rest, it's like watching snails crawl and always will be in the modern era.

I agree with you 100%.  Why in the world would a non-bowler watch the PBA on TV?  The only people I know who watch the PBA on TV are hard-core bowlers who very well know the difference between a league shot and a PBA shot.  They know that their own scores are not at all comparable.

But recently someone on the PBA forums on PBA.COM made a statement that ESPN research indicates that 2/3's of the show's viewership is non-bowlers!  That seems insane, but that's what was said.  Non-bowlers would, I assume, be very much clueless.
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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2009, 01:42:20 AM »
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Jeff Carter is coming to my home town for a clinic.

Do with that what you will.

In my opinion bowling clinics are a waste of time and money compared to the monetarily equivalent number of coaching sessions with a good bowling coach.  I will never again waste money on a bowling clinic.  Jeff might make for an excellent bowling coach -- if he lives near you and if you can regularly get with him for coaching.
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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2009, 04:04:45 AM »
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This is a discussion for another thread....but credibility is the main problem.  Why would you pay top dollar to sponsor a sport where the people on TV are scoring lower than some guy on a Wednesday classic league?

You can't go to a local course on Saturday morning and see guys shaping it like Tiger...or hitting it as long and straight as JB Holmes....

but there is no shortage of 230 average bowlers revving it up and throwing it right.
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Perceived "credibility" has almost nothing to do with it. It's about money. Take a look sometime at which commercials run on the respective broadcasts and pay particular attention to the types of industries represented. Golf telecasts are full of commercials targeted at wealthy investors and individuals because that's where their demographics are saying the audience is. The PBA, on the other hand, has had Odor Eaters and Denny's. That's not a credibility issue -- that's a disposable income demographic issue.

How many private bowling country clubs are there in the U.S.? I'm not aware of a single one. How many private golf country clubs with $50,000+ initiation fees are there? Too many to count.

That's before you get to the actual construct of the games themselves, and I'm talking about format and not "credibility." Every golf course is easily identifiable as a unique entity, even to a non-golfer. Bowling alleys, not so much. Golf is historically thought of as a sport of aristocracy, while bowling is for the blue-collar common man.

I guarantee you 99 percent of advertisers don't have a clue about the history of bowling's scoring pace, nor do they care. They care about whether their product is hitting x-percent of wage earners in the $100K bracket and above. Period.

Bowling took a big step up last year when they got Edward Jones on board as a regular TV advertiser. Now you just need about 10-20 more companies like that and you'll start to see the gap narrow.

Jess
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Atochabsh

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Re: Jeff Carter Rumors
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2009, 05:24:42 AM »
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I do not want to spread the rumor if it's not true.


For someone that did not want to spread rumor, you just did a great job of it.
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