Post by: Beef STL on July 07, 2007, 08:00:29 PM
So, I'm reading the participating junior's blog's and I come across Jessica Baker's from today. It goes on saying how she slept past her alarm, etc, etc, then gets to a pretty puzzling section.
"I checked in, then at 1:30 pm I practiced @ Airport Lanes which had the Chameleon pattern. I decided to practice with my friend Jake, it is always nice to be able to discuss things with someone who also has a good idea of how the lanes are playing- house played a little weird considering there are about 5 different bays with lanes. I mainly used my Vapor Zone and my Fury. I was able to get comfortable on a few different parts of the lane, and overall I felt it went well.
From there I went to the 4 pm session @ Transit Lanes which had the shark pattern- it definetaly played different than any shark pattern I have seen... again things were a little tough with the surface being older wood & me not physically throwing it the best- but I tried to make the best of it and ended up being satisfied playing further in with my Vapor Zone."
Say it isn't so. Are they really putting out PBA patterns for JOG this year? Over the years, I've come to have known JOG putting out tough, undisclosed shots year after year. To hear they're putting out PBA shots is kind of a joke. It's going to be nothing new to most players out there, as PBA experience leagues are basically everywhere. What does everyone else think of this?
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Post by: fins4ever88 on July 08, 2007, 05:35:02 AM
Although, I must say after practice, the Chameleon seemed easier than what I've bowled on before.
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Post by: fins4ever88 on July 08, 2007, 01:35:29 PM
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Are you sure about that fins?
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Uhh...yeah? I'm here in Buffalo right now. The sheets they have at the counters of the bowling alley and on the windows and walls all say something like "Junior Gold Cheetah/Shark/Chameleon, adjusted for surface".
I have one of them in my car. If I actually knew how to read them, I'd have all three
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Post by: DP3 on July 08, 2007, 01:57:44 PM
The PBA Patterns are never a complete shut out, so the physically talented players can zone in and shoot 220-240s rather than grinding 170-190 in years past. Now it looks like the guys with the best physical and mental games rise to the top rather than the few straight ballers that have made all their spares and wood, but don't necessarily throw it the best in the world, sneak into the top 32 or 16.
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on July 08, 2007, 02:16:27 PM
good luck to everyone this weekend i hope there are some big scores, i heard ogrady was killing em earlier during practice, which isnt unusal for him...
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Post by: fins4ever88 on July 08, 2007, 02:28:19 PM
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Post by: Beef STL on July 08, 2007, 02:36:26 PM
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...i honestly think its a joke to put out the pba patterns...its dumb, everyone knows where to play, there is no struggle to find the right line
...but to me it was more fun when u new the pattern was short med and long, and thats ALL YOU KNEW...but wutever...
Exactly. This has the potential to turn into more of a joke than last year's high scores. (in 2005, 204.4 LED after 30 games... in 2006, 203 was 16th place.)
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on July 08, 2007, 03:39:37 PM
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Post by: Beef STL on July 08, 2007, 06:09:55 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on July 08, 2007, 06:16:37 PM
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So, I'm talking to a friend in JOG. He says the Chameleon and Shark are on the wood houses and the Cheetah is on the synthetic house... Isn't that kind of bassackwards?
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Post by: Beef STL on July 08, 2007, 06:25:37 PM
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You never know, I've seen synthetic lanes that looked and played worse than good wood...
Oh, I know, the only times I've thrown on the cheetah has been on synthetics, I was just under the impression the Cheetah was designed specifically for Wood lanes.
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Post by: renoatpikeville on July 08, 2007, 06:29:46 PM
I'm not knocking anyones game but just wait until after the first round before you start calling the shots soft or dumb. If someone shoots 1400+ then I'll shut my mouth.
Let me remind you that before PBA shots, Sport shots were a 2:1 ratio or less.
Now that PBA (usually 3:1 ratio) are acceptable Sport alternative shots scores may seem to be on the rise. Or it may be just because of the talent...I choose the latter.
Post by: Beef STL on July 08, 2007, 07:05:25 PM
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which I think is a great idea because some great players have been left behind in the past to straight ballers that just make spares and can't put up big numbers)
Such as?
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Post by: Beef STL on July 08, 2007, 07:24:49 PM
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Post by: Beef STL on July 08, 2007, 07:34:12 PM
I'm not mad at you or anything...
but then again I'm just saying that it's pretty insulting to some of the bowlers that did make team usa.
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Post by: fins4ever88 on July 08, 2007, 08:27:25 PM
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I also am in Buffalo competing in the Junior Gold Championships. Unfortunately, because of the huge lines for practice sessions, I only got to practice at Thruway which was the modified Cheetah. It was similar to the original Cheetah, but I believe there were a few more units on the outside as I couldn't bounce it out to the gutter like you are supposed to be able to.
I like the idea of using 'softer' patterns for a tournament like this for a couple of reasons. One being that the lanes are still fair to everyone because it isn't adult bumper bowling and two being that the people who choose Team USA want people who can destroy patterns that are playable but still provide a challenge (which I think is a great idea because some great players have been left behind in the past to straight ballers that just make spares and can't put up big numbers).
Just my .02
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I would have to agree about practice. It's ridiculous! Fortunately, I was able to at least bowl second shift at 10 this morning on Cheetah. I had to settle for open play at 12:30 for Shark. I went to Transit right after I was done at Thruway. Got there about 11:30 and signed up for the 6 PM shift. Too bad I was already 100 on the list.
They need to make it 3 days of practice with everyone guaranteed one session at each house, and then lists for those who want more than that.
And I definitely hear what you're saying about Cheetah. It's harder than what I bowled on before (I know it's modified), but still playable. Can't miss left for me, otherwise I skate too long and then hit the headpin weak and leave some nasty splits.
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Post by: Beef STL on July 08, 2007, 08:37:14 PM
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They need to make it 3 days of practice with everyone guaranteed one session at each house, and then lists for those who want more than that.
If I remember correctly, they don't even put the same type of oil out for practice as they do when they actually start the tournament.
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on July 08, 2007, 08:39:32 PM
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Post by: Beef STL on July 08, 2007, 08:43:10 PM
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cant miss left...u lefty?...cuz all the rightys missing left go to the 4 pin...so uve gotta be lefty...wut hotel is everyone staying at...
As his profile says... he is left handed.
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Post by: fins4ever88 on July 08, 2007, 08:48:59 PM
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They need to make it 3 days of practice with everyone guaranteed one session at each house, and then lists for those who want more than that.
If I remember correctly, they don't even put the same type of oil out for practice as they do when they actually start the tournament.
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That's what I hear about a lot of tournaments. Like last year at Teen Masters, one of the experienced guys was telling me not to even pay much attention to practice, as it would play almost completely different to the tournament pattern. Whatever, I'm left-handed. I carry the world anyway, right
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on July 08, 2007, 08:53:24 PM
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Post by: fins4ever88 on July 09, 2007, 12:23:59 PM
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/jrGold07/AMF-Airport-Lanes-lane-conditions.pdf
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/jrGold07/AMF-Thruway-lane-conditions.pdf
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/jrGold07/Transit-Lanes-lane-conditions.pdf
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Post by: Beef STL on July 09, 2007, 01:07:00 PM
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They've posted the conditions online now.
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/jrGold07/AMF-Airport-Lanes-lane-conditions.pdf
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/jrGold07/AMF-Thruway-lane-conditions.pdf
http://www.bowl.com/downloads/pdf/jrGold07/Transit-Lanes-lane-conditions.pdf
lol, already saved the graphs to my comp. Thanks bowl.com for giving us 3 of the PBA conditions :-)
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Post by: Beef STL on July 10, 2007, 01:20:54 AM
Looking at the standings. Where's O'Grady? Where's the people that are posting the blogs? Seems like a lot missing.
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Edited on 7/10/2007 1:30 AM
Post by: Traumatize on July 10, 2007, 01:34:21 AM
Post by: r534me on July 10, 2007, 01:45:24 AM
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Proof is in the numbers... 16th right now is averaging 213...
Looking at the standings. Where's O'Grady? Where's the people that are posting the blogs? Seems like a lot missing.
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Edited on 7/10/2007 1:30 AM
Just out of curiousity, I checked the 2006 boys and you know what the average was for the first six games for 16th place?
212.5
http://www.bowl.com/tournaments/youth/jrgold/eventResults.aspx?i=11956&f=2
six games qualifying for 2007
225.7
http://www.bowl.com/tournaments/youth/jrgold/eventResults.aspx?i=11956&f=2
Six games qualifying for 2006
231.5
I didn't check the girls but I suspect the pattern will be the same.
So what does it mean "proof is in the numbers"? Are the numbers suppose to back up or disprove your top post?
Post by: Zack Pelton300 on July 10, 2007, 02:11:31 AM
Post by: Traumatize on July 10, 2007, 02:14:35 AM
Post by: pate08 on July 10, 2007, 06:49:54 AM
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One name that comes to mind is Adam Dugan...absolutely nothing special and has pretty much not been heard of since his "stint" on Team USA. Not saying he's not good, because he obviously was for that one week, but I'm sure there were much better players that could have been chosen that simply didnt hit it as hard as he did that week.
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Coming from Texas, the name Dugan leaves a bad taste in my mouth,but that's an entirely different story. I agree that Adam couldn't hook the ball to save his life but you've got to respect someone who has mastered spares. Spares get too overlooked in todays world of messangers and light swish hits. Adam fell right into the old format perfectly, with more match play and more grueling patterns. The guy is a prick off the lanes but he was always around the pocket when the shots broke down and got nasty. He could throw it straight when others couldn't and it prevailed. No matter who you are you've gotta respect that.
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Post by: jr_300 on July 10, 2007, 11:03:43 PM
im going to airport lanes tomarrow to bowl on the chameleon, and i will post up and let you guys know how i did. i went and watched a squad tonight and it seemed playable but nothing amazing.
as for the patterns, they are tough we found out the ration on the long is 1.6 to 1. which is a legal and very hard sport shot.
just my .02
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on July 10, 2007, 11:18:28 PM
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Post by: fins4ever88 on July 11, 2007, 04:37:59 PM
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To put my input into this sinc my hotel finallyn fixed the internet.. THEY ARE BEING CALLED PBA PATTERNS BUT PLAY NOTHING LIKE THEM.
I so far have bowled on the Medium (Chameleon) and Long (Shark).. and both played nothing like it on tour or on any that I've bowled on.
They are severly modified and have a MUCH lower oil ratio than they do on tour.
The Shark seemed the be the easiest, and just bowling on the Chameleon.. averaging 180 is about what everyone is doing.. extremelty hard.. the ratio is 1.56:1 (In the Kegal training book that's called "Cruel and unusual punishment")
Lol.. good luck to everyone tonight and tomorrow as the finish.. I get the short tomorrow.. which plays harder.. so believe me.. it aint no Cheetah.
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Cheetah isn't TOO bad. It's not nearly as hard as Chameleon was though. Phew, hopefully I can make Shark my highest scoring, too.
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Post by: jr_300 on July 11, 2007, 05:19:03 PM
i came into this tournament with an open mind, and what i thought a good mental game. well as i realize now im know where near ready mentally for this stuff. only the true well rounded bowlers succeed. well until tomarrow
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Post by: Beef STL on July 11, 2007, 09:47:35 PM
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Post by: nizzo on July 12, 2007, 09:41:02 AM
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Cheetah isn't TOO bad. It's not nearly as hard as Chameleon was though. Phew, hopefully I can make Shark my highest scoring, too.
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And here i felt the shark was the hardest mainly because i have no pin action at transit, the pins just felt dead for me. The chameleon has been the easiest for me so far, and today i finish up with the cheetah. Hopefully i will do much better on the cheetah. I was pretty much screwed out by the shark(transit) just because i had no pin action there. I had a great ball to the pocket all day just no pin action.
Post by: fins4ever88 on July 12, 2007, 09:47:57 AM
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Cheetah isn't TOO bad. It's not nearly as hard as Chameleon was though. Phew, hopefully I can make Shark my highest scoring, too.
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And here i felt the shark was the hardest mainly because i have no pin action at transit, the pins just felt dead for me. The chameleon has been the easiest for me so far, and today i finish up with the cheetah. Hopefully i will do much better on the cheetah. I was pretty much screwed out by the shark(transit) just because i had no pin action there. I had a great ball to the pocket all day just no pin action.
To each his own then, I guess. I sucked on Chameleon. I had nothing for 5 games. I was able to get lined up on Cheetah for a while. Hopefully I can do well today on Shark. Everyone keeps telling me to play inside and aim for the breakpoint to be 15. During practice, I was going up 10, but carry was questionable (although, it was a third shift Shark, so carrydown wasn't helpful in that at all).
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