Author Topic: Association Secretary Won't Honor Scores... (Read 1621 times)

BT808 · « **on:** July 13, 2006, 12:01:32 PM »

Get this. Myself and four of my buddies decided we would try bowling left-handed this summer just for fun. Its a 13 week long 3 man handicap league. About 5 weeks in averaging 140ish, a couple of us shoot 200+ scores which would qualify us to get 200 games awards. He says we're not allowed to switch hands and receive awards (We all average 220+ right handed) unless its for a medical reason. So since we're doing it for fun he won't turn them in? When we first turned the scores in, we weren't concerned with receiving awards, we thought it was funny. But now that the secretary won't even turn them in, I'm determined to find a ruling on this. Bowling with the opposite hand is like a completely different bowler, correct? I think we're eligible for awards, but if someone knows the definite ruling I'd appreciate it.

Edited on 7/13/2006 8:04 PM

BT808 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2006, 08:09:55 PM »

I edited the topic of the thread, this is my association secretary, not league..

triggerman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2006, 08:10:28 PM »

you have to declare at the start of the season which hand you will use, the only times you can switch is medical reasons, and you must establish a new average. the secretary is right, you guys are wrong, in fact all of your games if not mistaken should be forfeited too. go to bowl.com. pull the rules book, it is in there

shelley · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2006, 08:13:00 PM »

The hand to set your average with is the hand you must bowl with. You aren't normally allowed to switch without a compelling reason. However, you may bowl a different league with the other hand, setting a separate average just for that league.

You cannot, for instance, set an average with your left hand, then switch to your right hand (which you have a much higher average with) for "critical" games to take advantage of the handicap.

There is no rule, however, that prevents you from using whatever hand you like for the duration of the season. Your scores are valid, though there should be a mention in the record books that the average is for a particular hand. Your secretary is wrong. You started the league with that hand and you set average with it. You have only used that hand for this league.

You could bowl Tuesdays left-handed and Wednesdays right handed if you like. You would have a book average for each hand, and for tournaments where you must submit an average, you must specify which hand you will use.

SH

BT808 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2006, 08:13:31 PM »

We started and have bowled this entire league left handed. No-one switched. You do not have the bowl all of your leauges with the same hand. I can bowl a league left handed, and a league right handed. As long as I don't switch hands in either league I should be fine.

Edit: We replied at the same time. You explained it better.

Edited on 7/13/2006 8:09 PM

Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2006, 08:23:26 PM »

I bowl in a non sanctioned league in the summer just for fun...and I've thrown the ball left handed, right handed, even kicked the ball down the lane...it's a good time

I am pretty sure as long as you don't ever switch hands in a sanctioned league regardless of what your reason is...you should be fine.
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Hogsharley · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2006, 08:45:50 PM »

If your league is santioned and you bowl the entire time with your left hand, you are entitled to USBC and/or local assoc awards. We have some bowlers in my house that have established right and left hand averages. There is no reason why the league or assoc secretary should not submit and/or honor those scores.
Tell the secy to submit the scores or go right over his head to the local assoc, if the patch or coaster means that much to you. You pay santioning so you are entitled.
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BT808 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2006, 09:45:55 PM »

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If its merely a principle involved, then push to the limit since you are correct.
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This is the only reason. Obviously, I'm not going to be concerned whether or not I have a 200 game pin or whatever it is you get. Its just the fact that he will not allow us to collect awards with the opposite hand.

shelley · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:25:01 PM »

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BT808, even if you do deserve the awards since you have only bowled with your left hand the entire league, what is the big deal about getting an award that really means nothing to you since you are such a good bowler the correct way and no doubt have many awards of which you are proud.

How about recognition for something few bowlers have done? Isn't that what awards are for? He's not such a good bowler, so, as you say, he should want the recognition for the 200 game.

SH

Pinbuster · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2006, 07:20:33 AM »

There are several issues here.

One would be that you would have to declare at the start of the league that you were bowling with the opposite hand and the league would need to have some indicator of that fact.

Second is you may be caught in a technicality.

For average based achievements you have to use the previous seasonâ€™s average until an average is established in the current league. Depending on league/association rules that generally runs from 12 to 21 games.

But Iâ€™m with Sawbones on this. You are just goofing around and the award shouldnâ€™t mean anything to you. It is not worth the aggravation.

Shelly the point is that he is a high average bowler when bowling with his natural hand and has lots of awards using his natural hand.

Iâ€™ve shot 200 with my left hand in practice and Iâ€™m sure I would eventually do it in league if I bowled a season that way but so what. It pales in comparison to my right hand awards. Iâ€™m sure not going to go around showing off my 200 game key chain on a 140 average.

azguy · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2006, 07:59:32 AM »

If, at the start of the season, as others have said, you stated you were using your left hand, you deserve the 200 award, for no other reason that is is a "mark" you have achieved.

If, the league secretary put down you were bowling right handed on your original paperwork, then ...on paper, you do not deserve the award, but they made a mistake, in that case.

IMO, from reading all this, it is not the award, but the principal of the thing and you , if everything was done right, deserve the award. IMO, why you would want it is beyond me, but, you do deserve it.

Push the issue ? That's up to you, but the rules do state you deserve it, as long as you never bowled right handed ( medical reasons aside).
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michelle · « **Reply #11 on:** July 14, 2006, 08:33:15 AM »

Does one need to sanction the other hand when the switch is a non-medical change? Might that be a factor in declining the approval for the award?

tekneek · « **Reply #12 on:** July 14, 2006, 08:44:43 AM »

Michelle, no, I changed hands in the middle of the league due to medical reasons. I was not required to pay another sanction, just declare I was bowling lefthanded, have the team captians approve the change by vote. Establish a new average left handed and noted in the weekly league standing sheet as averages shown as follows 221RH, and 154LH.
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ThongPrincess · « **Reply #13 on:** July 14, 2006, 09:24:36 PM »

If you want to know an official ruling, contact the USBC membership/awards department at ma@bowl.com. This is the contact email shown on Bowl.com.

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