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just a bit upset..
« on: November 22, 2012, 11:36:36 AM »
Hey guys last night I had two ballsdrilled. When I got home I noticed one wasn't drilled right. I asked for a stacked drill pin over the ring and it got drilled pin over ring with cg in the palm. A label leverage you might say. I am furious but what if anything can I do? I know he'd fix it for free but I am not gonna have a brand new ball that's never been thrown plugged.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2012, 05:10:40 PM »
Now the charts in same order

65 X 5.5 X 30

then

80 X 5.5 X 30

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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2012, 05:13:05 PM »
Now track flare same order

65 x 5.5 X 30

then

80 X  5.5 X 30
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scotts33

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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2012, 05:27:39 PM »
kidlost2000--Which symmetrical ball are you basing these facts off of?  Where is the x hole on the gradient line on the 65*x5.5"x30* and where is the PSA?  I assume the 80*x5.5"x30* does not have an x hole on the gradient line?
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2012, 05:49:33 PM »
Its an outburst with the PAP 5.5" straight across from the center gripline. There is no weight hole because the original post gave no information on a weight hole. He simply stated he wanted the pin above the ring finger with the cg stacked. So this shows what he wanted vs what he got on a symmetric core ball
« Last Edit: November 24, 2012, 05:58:11 PM by kidlost2000 »
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2012, 05:51:41 PM »
So, you changed the drilling angle adjusting the CG?

Quote from: kidlost2000 on November 24, 2012, 05:49:33 PM
Its an outburst with the psa 5.5" straight across from the center gripline. There is no weight hole because the original post gave no information on a weight hole. He simply stated he wanted the pin above the ring finger with the cg stacked. So this shows what he wanted vs what he got on a symmetric core ball
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2012, 06:03:07 PM »
Sorry on my phone had to correct previous post changing PSA to PAP. The drilling angle on a symmetric only shifts the CG because the ball doesnt have a MB. If you look at the redline in the thumb hole of both balls that does mark the PSA after drlling.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2012, 06:17:19 PM »
IMO this whole thread is full of holes.  In the first place if the driller does not have the skill, ability and correct tools to drill a symmetrical to shift cg to correct position and measure PSA before x hole on gradient line and after x hole and placement P1, P2, P3, P4 or no x hole this whole supposition about how the ball should be drilled for said bowler is much ado about nothing.  Driller needs a DeTerminator to determine PSA.  Everything else is conjecture for the most part. 

So, I will agree with those that said whether the cg is stacked or mid grip means little if the driller can not give the drilling angle and VAL angle plus the pin to PAP distance the bowlers requires for the lane condition and the measure where the PSA winds up with a DeTerminator , bowlers stats. and what the bower is looking for out of the ball along with any necessary surface adjustments.

What I have brought up I realise is way beyond the novice but is substantially what will give correct ball motion in symmetricals.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2012, 06:23:39 PM »
If you want to find the PSA on a pin up symmetric you dont need a determinator. Its going to be in the thumb. The x-hole is the only thing that will shift the PSA out from the thumb hole.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2012, 06:28:13 PM »
My guess why the driller shifted the cg is simply so it wouldnt need an x-hole and to make sure the statics were legal. Ask him and see what he says.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2012, 06:32:37 PM »
Incorrect.......example Frantic 80*x5"x43* no x hole PSA left of thumb enough to make a difference when making adjustments/tweaks to get better ball motion.  Though surface rules I agree. 

The issue should be the OP should be going to a driller that can drill/layout symmetric's correctly to get his dual angles best for him.  This is beyond the average Joe Hack Driller.



After x hole 60*x5"x43* x hole P2



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If you want to find the PSA on a pin up symmetric you dont need a determinator. Its going to be in the thumb. The x-hole is the only thing that will shift the PSA out from the thumb hole.

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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2012, 06:38:23 PM »
Holy Jesus I need you guys to tell me how to drill/throw everything and I'll just do the part where I let the ball go.
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2012, 06:45:24 PM »
Too many relying on semantics instead of trying to be a better bowler, where the equipment would actually benefit them
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2012, 06:49:22 PM »
Scott if you draw a line from the pin 6 3/4" through the thumb does the psa end up with in a 1/2" of that libe? Prior to the x-hole
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2012, 06:52:45 PM »
Closer to 7/8".  I get your point kl.  Images give a better idea than words and it's not semantics.   These two layouts gave vastly different results. 
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Re: just a bit upset..
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2012, 06:59:55 PM »
Just a question to the OP... what kind of condition are you bowling on, and what's your average?
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