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Elimeno Pee

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Just no carry today...
« on: November 23, 2013, 12:50:27 PM »
I hear people say just not my day, can't carry a 9 or a 10.  Hit the hole all day, barely broke 600.

"Those days just happen".

I argue there is always a fix.  Different ball, different line, different speed or hand position etc.  If you aren't carrying keep searching.  If you find it today, it may help you in future sets.
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Re: Just no carry today...
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2013, 01:52:40 PM »
The truth is that most people want to have something to blame, and something other than themselves.  They will stay where they're at and with the same ball for fear that if they move they'll miss the pocket entirely.

My attitude is if all I'm doing is shooting at spares, I should be able to make any move or ball change, or both, and still have spares to shoot at... The upside is if my hunch is correct I can carry more strikes!

In today's ever changing bowling environment we really have to be fearless, so if/when we decide on some sort of move, we are totally committed to the shot and will roll it accordingly, instead of a half-hearted effort because we are unsure of ourselves.

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Re: Just no carry today...
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2013, 02:00:21 PM »
nd with the same ball for fear that if they move they'll miss the pocket entirely.

My attitude is if all I'm doing is shooting at spares, I should be able to make any move or ball change, or both, and still have spares to shoot at... The upside is if my hunch is correct I can carry more strikes!


However if your hunch is wrong or you don't have the right ball in your bag that day, then you'll be shooting at washouts and splits the rest of the day and instead of 600, you're all of a sudden looking at 525 or worse. Been there, done that. Sometimes, just sometimes, it's better to appear to suffer but to win your point and the game than try an alternative and not succeed.
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Re: Just no carry today...
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2013, 02:29:02 PM »
nd with the same ball for fear that if they move they'll miss the pocket entirely.

My attitude is if all I'm doing is shooting at spares, I should be able to make any move or ball change, or both, and still have spares to shoot at... The upside is if my hunch is correct I can carry more strikes!


However if your hunch is wrong or you don't have the right ball in your bag that day, then you'll be shooting at washouts and splits the rest of the day and instead of 600, you're all of a sudden looking at 525 or worse. Been there, done that. Sometimes, just sometimes, it's better to appear to suffer but to win your point and the game than try an alternative and not succeed.

Agree here, if its a grind fest, getting "cute" and doing this and that will kill you, stay where you are and leave spares you can convert.

Conversely,  if its a strike party, you have to find a way to keep up with the scoring pace.
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Re: Just no carry today...
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2013, 06:20:17 PM »
I personally would prefer to go searching for a fix.  If you don't, you don't learn anything.  maybe sacrificing a point and a few pins today might allow for a huge set another day.  And you never know, you might leave a split/washout on the way to a 4 bagger.
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Re: Just no carry today...
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2013, 06:51:34 PM »
Guys,

I'm not talking about HUGE moves here.  Most of us know where "BALL A" fits in relation to "BALL B" in our line up.  Maybe it's a small 2 & 1 move, or something small like that. If I'm not right, where's the harm? I can always go back to the ball and line I was using before, can't I?  I don't HAVE to stay on the wrong line unless I'm a glutton for punishment. 

How many hundreds of times on your drive home from league did you think of something that might have worked?  Too late to ever know because you were afraid to try it though.  Sometimes I guess wrong, and sometimes I guess right, but at least I know I tried the things that came to mind.  Most of us bowl house shots 90% of the time, so why not take a frame or two to try an idea that could possibly make that drive home easier?

We are all wired differently, so not everyone thinks like I do (thank goodness), but the old saying "nothing ventured, nothing gained" seems like it may fit here.  Some nights everything you tried may not have worked, and you grinded, and grinded your way to a sub par night.  Then there may be the occasional night when you went 180, 230, 250 and went home satisfied that your plan worked...

There is no right or wrong way here.  A subtle move, though, can be the difference in carrying the 10 or leaving it all night and seeking solace from other frustrated bowlers.  Only you can weigh the alternatives and decide.

« Last Edit: November 23, 2013, 06:53:19 PM by notclay »

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Re: Just no carry today...
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2013, 04:15:29 PM »
I'm with the OP & Notclay. I refuse to suffer, doing nothing. Nothing beats a failure but a try, and anyway......even if I do fail.....I learn something for the future!

Case in point: this past Friday league, we are in position round and have already lost two very close games. It is obvious that the third game is going to be no different, in terms of closeness. Both teams are pinging an assortment of ten-pins after hitting the pocket. Both ringing and flat tens, consistently! I figured that whichever team could put together a double or turkey would eventually be the winner. Since playing in the oil had me constantly shooting ten-pin spares all day, I decided to go to a weaker piece after the 7th frame, and play the track area which everyone else shied away from. Calculated move that paid off hansomely.

8th frame: 9/.......but I got a read on the speed needed to strike. 9th frame....strike; 10th frame......struck out!! We not only won the game but also eeked out total pins! Ended up with a split that day, but much better than getting swept!

Now I have new-found confidence in using this technique in future matches! Had I not taken any action, it would have been a nail-biter, with us depending on the bowling gods til the very end!
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Re: Just no carry today...
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2013, 10:26:27 AM »
Close game and we are leading and can not afford an open, I will not change balls unless I  know what the result is going to be. Last week, I shot 203 with two opens the second game which was high on the pair. Everyone was struggling with the way the lanes had broken down-7 pins, 9 pins and 10 pins. We  lost by 20 sticks.

I changed balls to a Lights Out with a motion hole and two of my teammates got upset. I shot a clean 215 the last game which we won by 25. I through the ball horrible the third game but I knew the ball change to a weaker later rolling ball would eliminate the over under i was struggling with the second game.

There is no way I leave two or three ten pins on good shots and not make an adjustment with my feet and or release. That is just part of bowling. I may adjust wrong but rarely will the adjustment cause me to give up the pocket on a THS. Poor execution or lack of confidence is usually the reason I miss a shit after adjusting.

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Re: Just no carry today...
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 03:14:17 PM »
In most cases I tend to favor the big changes because grinding usually means getting lapped by the field. Look at PBA event scores sometime. Take a look at where you finish if you average 200. In most cases, grinding it out leaves you way, way, way out of contention. As such, you have two options. You can grind out 190s to 210s and finish out of the cut in 40th or 50th place, or you can try something big to start striking. If it works, maybe you average 220+ and make a run at the number, or maybe you lose it completely and average 150 the rest of the way. Still, whether you finish 40th or 80th, you missed the cut. At least you went down swinging!

Now, if it's clear that the entire field is grinding out 190-210, then I can see the merit in controlling the pocket and making spares. However, since so many things are contested on house shots anymore, you pretty much need to be striking in order to avoid becoming a spectator.
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