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debs130

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Just Venting
« on: February 26, 2005, 03:08:51 AM »
The other day, we needed to prebowl for our Family Affair league because the boys are bowling in an LIYBT on Sunday.  There was no school and the house was packed with children, so we had them on either side of us.  I was standing on the lane ready to start my approach, when the little girl next to us runs up and dumps her ball on the lane.  (Before that, she dumped the ball on our lane, and we had to erase the frame.)  I waited for her to come back, but she stood there and never left the foul line.  I politely asked her mom to tell the little girl to come back.  She never did, so I sat down with my ball in my lap and waited.  The girl's mom had the effrontery to call the desk and complain about my attitude!  They asked to be moved away from us! (Good riddance.)

The woman at the desk asked me what happened, so I told her.  The desk lady told me that the mom said that they were small children and weren't expected to show any lane courtesy.

Is this how children are being raised today?

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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2005, 11:22:01 AM »
Sad but true.  We all have our horror stories with open bowlers.  Many simply do not know proper lane courtesy and others do but simply regard a bowling center as a place for their children to run wild.  Our sport has no respect.  To most people it is regarded as a more challenging form of skee-ball.  

At least before electronic scoring, many scoresheets reminded bowlers about lane courtesy.  And many of the chain centers have employees that do not care about the game or are motivated to point out some of the basic courtesies expected in our game.
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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2005, 11:26:04 AM »
DEB .. I agree with you .. the parent should have explained PROPER PROCEDURES to the little one. Some kids will pick-up fast while others will have to be told a number of times .. but you have to start otherwise they'll never learn.

Thinking about the whole picture .. I think the DESK PEOPLE made the BIG mistake .. they should never had put the two groups side by side. Knowing there were other allies open they should have made a better decision!

Overall I would have taking the same action you took. You never know when these young ones will turn and walk right in front of you .. you and/or the child could get hurt and then who would be at fault? You did right .. don't even give it another thought!

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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2005, 11:41:34 AM »
I understand why you are upset about this. Keep in mind though you as a league player have a time reserved every week for you to bowl. With that in mind you should know that when ever you prebowl, makeup or what ever the case is you do run the risk of bowling next to open play. The problem I have with a lot of league bowlers is that they expect everyone to know lane courtesy. If someone comes out every now and then to bowl they are not going to know the "rules" of bowling. From when I worked at a center if I knew someone was coming in to make up for league I would try to put them somewhere to where the lanes next to them would be the last I had to use. I also reminded them that it is open play time that open bowlers may be next to them so they knew.
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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2005, 11:41:36 AM »
Joe,

You're back already!  How was your vacation?

I know the desk lady very well, and she's just so fed up with the kids and their parents that she doesn't argue anymore with them.

My younger son becomes a bit overzealous while bowling, and sometimes cuts people off.  I'm constantly reminding him of lane courtesy.  People on the other lanes say "it's okay, he's just a kid."  I tell them that it's NOT okay, and that he needs to wait his turn.  I've been teaching this to him since he was three or four years old.

I'm just sick of these overly permissive parents and their offspring.

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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2005, 11:46:16 AM »
sd, I think lane courtesy is just common sense, especially when there is no ball return between the lanes.  If I had a very small child, I would not let him/her on the approach unless the next lane were clear, because I would be afraid of her/him being hurt in a collision of some sort.

I knew that we would be next to open bowling when we scheduled to prebowl, and I didn't expect total lane courtesy, but I do think that people should make their children return from the foul line after delivering a ball.

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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2005, 11:58:26 AM »
people just dont care. period. i have gone to the line in step 4 out of 5, and the open play bowler beside me runs up and does his all-arm-no-aim gutter chucker. i perform my entire release and finshing plant... with the ball never leaving my hand. LOL, wind it up and over my head, whole 9 yards. 4 outta 5 times, it scares the hell out of the idiot next to me as he is expecting the ball to come flying at him. some say, 'why'd you do that?'... dont ask me, because i have no issues telling them 'because you have no sense of manners when someone else is set to bowl. wait your d#%mn turn.'

am i rude? i dont think so. i am very blunt and that scares some people. oh well. learn some manners, or go to putt-putt.
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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2005, 12:03:33 PM »
Bones,

I did do that.  I very politely asked the parent to ask her child to come off the lane because I didn't want her to get hurt.  She ignored me.  Before this even transpired, I told her that I thought her daughter was adorable.  

In another instance, my husband did the exact thing you suggested, explaining in detail why there is lane courtesy.  During one of my husband's deliveries, I heard the parent sarcastically tell her child to "wait for the 'pro' on the next lane to bowl."

Sometimes you just can't win.

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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2005, 12:32:57 PM »
Bones, I have also tried politely explaining to people proper lane courtesy.  The first time was with a bunch of frat boys and their dates.  That event almost came to blows.

The second was summer before last when a 14 year old punk would start his approach just after me, pass me or end up at the foul line with me.  I was standing 35 and he was on the left lane so I explained that he might get hurt.  He said I was too slow and since they had the lane only for an hour he wasn't going to wait for me.  I had so hoped that I would get to meet his parents but alas they never showed up to the center.

My rule is as follows:  stupid, ignorant parents = stupid ignorant children.


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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2005, 12:43:50 PM »
Blame the parents blame the parents is all I am hearing. Yes indeed sometimes the parents are at blame. I have seen many times where the parent does everything right but the kid still does it. If we are talking about young kids you need to remember that they are kids and they may not fully understand why they need to wait. They are excited and want to throw the ball down the lane and see what happens. Once they get into the teenage years they are old enough to know better. Blame that kid not the parent.

Sawbones I do thank you for seeing my points. However sometimes there is not enough time to tell everyone in open play about lane courtesy. Yeah if I would put them next to a league bowler practicing or even making up I would at that time educate them on it.

With bowling just being seen as a thing to do here and there by many people they do not take time to learn the "rules" of bowling. If it would not be for the family I grew up in I probably would not know anything about the sport. Until bowling is a major sport all over not everyone will know the "rules" of bowling even at that time I don't think everyone will.
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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2005, 12:53:57 PM »
Little kids I generally give them the benefit of the doubt in most cases for a few frames.  I've found, at least near me, the kids who I seem to get stuck next to normally are around 8-11 range and they seem to pick up the waiting thing after a few frames.  Or they'll at least give me a pattern to observe so I can bowl when they finish a ball.

I understand where you're coming from.  Wether or not your 'kids' understand the courtesy isn't the issue.  Some kids aer too young to get it yet, but the parents should still enforce it on their children by asking them to wait even if they child doesn't know why to be curteous in general.  Cause whats funny is if someone does that to that SAME PARENT who lets their kids run crazy that parent gets mad at the bowler, or kid, normally about messing up their throw.

I plan on winning powerball soon ...lol... so when I do you guys can all come bowl at my alley and I'll put a section for kids 12 and younger in another section so they dont bother league/older bowlers.


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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2005, 01:46:42 PM »
Debs,  we had a similar situation a few years back.  In our center, if you schedule the prebowl in advance, they are supposed to set a pair of lanes aside.  They usually put you at one of the end pair and keep a lane open as long as possible.  If hey have to put bowlers right next to you, they put bowlers who know lane courtesy.

This time, some one forgot to put our prebowl on the calendar.  We gotthere for the scheduled prebowl and all they had open was a pair next to a family birthday party.  Not only did they not show any lane courtesy, but the one kid would run up on the lane immediately next to us while another her mother was bowling on the other lane.  Then she would lay down on the approach near the foul line.  We tried to be patient and bowl when the kid was off the lane, hoping she wouldn't run up on us.
 
One of the guys politely went up to ask the party to keep the child, about 7-8 years old, off the approach while she wasn't bowling.  He explained that it was not safe and that it was very distracting.  The mother's reply was "We are here for a birthday party.  We paid for the lanes and we will use them however we want."  Our bowler tried to explain he did not want to ruin their fun, just wanted her to keep the child from getting hurt.  The woman decided to get nasty and cussed him out.  Thankfully our bowler walked away.  He can get nasty when pushed.

At that point I went to the desk to ask for another pair, when it opened up.  At the time the house was full.  We waited about 15 minutes and another pair opened up and we completed our prebowl.

Some people just don't get it and don't want to get it.  You did the right thing in trying to educate the mom.  Unfortunately some people just don't want to be educated.
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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2005, 01:47:49 PM »
Part of the problem is caused by bumpers, which allow children who can barely pick up a 6# ball to bowl.

Before bumpers, you would not bring a child under the age of 7 or 8 to bowl, because every ball was in the gutter; they wouldn't have any fun, because they never knocked down any pins.

Now that the bumpers keep the ball on the lane, even 3-year-olds can experience the joy of bowling.
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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2005, 02:02:46 PM »
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With that money i would build my own bowling alley no kids


Biggest problem I see is the parents that have kids would not want to come and bowl there due to you not wanting kids to bowl there. Therefor could loose more money then by having kids bowl. Good idea but on the same hand bad idea.
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Re: Just Venting
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2005, 02:25:49 PM »
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The woman at the desk asked me what happened, so I told her.  The desk lady told me that the mom said that they were small children and weren't expected to show any lane courtesy.

Is this how children are being raised today?

Debbie


I didn't read the rest of the replies so excuse me if I repeat anything.

Did you try to explain that it's not also for lane courtesy, but for the child's safety?  If you have a good leg kick like me, or if the child wanders into your path during your delivery, the little girl could get hurt.  Of course, the mother would probably sue you.  
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