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dwp

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Just venting
« on: November 24, 2010, 01:03:59 AM »
Gonna try and make this as short and sweet as possible. The house I bowl in this year decided to put down a tougher shot where you actually have outta bounds outside of 5 and dryer in the middle. So now, bowlers will have to actually use there head and adjust. Well, there are only a handful of people in this league that can actually adjust to something like this. While I'm averaging around 223 with this shot, all these other so called big dogs are down in average alot. I'm good friends with the owner and laneman, and after talking to them both lastnight, they had both decided to go back and wall the shot back up to make all the other bowlers happy. The owner also said that in the years he's owned the place, he's never heard so much crying about how hard the shot is, and that their averages are lower.
So please answer me this. WHERE IS THE WORD SPORT IN THIS GAME ANYMORE!!!!!!!  
Please excuse me while I'm just trying to vent my frustrations over this little ordeal. But I'm just not happy with what this "sport" has turned into.

Thanks for listening
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Re: Just venting
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 09:13:40 AM »
This just in:  Bowling is Dying!

I welcome the challenge, I however am in the minority.
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Re: Just venting
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 09:15:51 AM »
I think it goes something like this: most typical league bowlers are winding down from a hard day at work, and just want to kick back, have a couple of beers and not work too hard at bowling. Their "high average" must be an ego thing.
The problem is that for the serious bowler the good tough scratch leagues are few and far between. If there were a few more of these, I think things could work and cut down on the complaints. Let everyone know what the're getting into. Those that want a challenge will take it, those that don't, won't.
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Re: Just venting
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 09:17:16 AM »
It's called...BEER SALES...

Owners now set the shot to match the bowlers who drink the most beer...

Now, get with the program...
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Re: Just venting
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 09:19:05 AM »
The sport is still there, be the shot easy or hard. There are egos involved, poor souls who seek consolation in a high average. That's the problem, not the lack of oil.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Just venting
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 09:22:34 AM »
That was our regular house shot for a long time because the people running the equipment don''t know what they were doing.

It was your usual christmas tree pattern, except around 7 to 5 board to the gutter was OB with heavy oil the full length. You had to keep the ball inside of that and your speed down to score. The backends were not strong either. Sometimes you could get the outsides to open up a little bit through the course of three games.

It isn''t a bad shot when you get use to it. This year it is more of a christmas tree pattern with out the OB and much lighter oil all around. Much more moving sooner and often due to the light volume of oil.


I don''t mind what they do with the shot, because they have finally stopped using furniture polish to was the approaches before we bowl.
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Re: Just venting
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 09:43:19 AM »
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It's called...BEER SALES...

Owners now set the shot to match the bowlers who drink the most beer...

Now, get with the program...
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I understand the beer thing because I like to drink a few beers while I bowl and afterward also.  What I don't understand is the shot was not that hard to hit to begin with. All they would have to do is adjust to what is given to you, but they won't. All the people want to do is stand left and throw right and watch it come back. So I guess I'm gonna just have to face the fact that from now on, it's just gonna be a cary fest.
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Re: Just venting
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 09:57:01 AM »
maybe the house can offer the tougher shot in some but not all leagues? maybe put it before the lg captains for a vote? the friday nite mixer might not like a tough shot, so as stated before beer sales might drop.
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Re: Just venting
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 10:02:09 AM »
Personal View on House hacks. They would be the same ones who want hand outs from the government. They do not want to work hard for anything . At bowling or work. just give it to me because I am entitled to it.  We should have a shot you need to think and work at your game. In my area it is hard to find any sport leagues, We are in a large city with many centers I have a least 7 centers with in 15 miles of my home. I drive 50 miles one way to a house that puts out Kegel and Pba shots for there league.
I am 30 pins below my house league ave. No whinig here. So when I bowl a good game & Series I know I earned it and I feel good when I shoot a 650 compared to my house shot 750+.  A few years ago we tried to talk the owner of our center into a sport league he said you guys get a least 8ea 3 man teams I will give you a night and he would throw in some extra prize money. we got 2 teams me and the local senior pro who has won a few Pba regional tourneys. We talked to a least 50+ bowlers no one was up to the challenge. One guy said it would hurt his house ave and he might not make as much money in the house league pots. We have had it to easy for to long . When I started bowling and your ave. was 200+ you where damn good.  Now if you do not ave a least 200 you suck.

In the 80's it took a lot of work to ave 200 for a full year I did it once 201.
Now  H/S 228  Sport 196. It takes more mental prep. then physical for me on a sport shot. In our sport league we have some excellent bowlers That are a ton better then I will ever be. But it will not stop me from working on my game to get better.  I just don't think we will ever get back to the way it was. People just want to feel good about averaging  200+ and think they are great bowler.  The Usbc can go with the Red , White & Blue patterns but the owners will do what it takes to make everyone happy to sell booze and not lose customers. They need to start in the youth leagues & High school with the sport shot so the next generation wants to bowl on the hard stuff.

Sorry for the rant Just my .02
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Stan

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Re: Just venting
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2010, 10:03:19 AM »
Sorry, but the owner has to please the majority otherwise he will lose business and the bowlers will go somewhere else.  For todays owners, its all about the cash register.  Guess the question to ask you is, "if he caters to the minority and goes out of business, would you care ?".  I would think and hope that the answer is "yes".  Understand this, the bowling comunity is shrinking and every center is competing for the "same" bowlers.  Many people say they want a harder shot, and some really do, but the majority would rather buy 1 or 2 balls each year and average over 225 and be happy.  The center with the most "china" usually has a waiting list for their leagues and the ones that put down harder or inconsistent shots usually have many lanes available for open bowling "every" night of the week.

This is todays "Bowling" world.



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Re: Just venting
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2010, 10:16:12 AM »
Quite a few of these bowling center owners aren't bowlers themselves. I know of a bowling center in a nearby town that is owned and run by bowlers, and it shows in lane conditions, etc..
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Stan

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Re: Just venting
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2010, 11:03:42 AM »
JT, I find that strange.  There is not one center in my area that the owner or manager is not a bowler and sometimes a real good one.
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Re: Just venting
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2010, 11:14:25 AM »
We had a guy over the years buy out four local centers and was not a bowler. It showed because he ran them into the ground and nearly ruined bowling for the area.

Only one house is left and it is under new ownership.
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Re: Just venting
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2010, 12:19:39 PM »
I would think that the trick to this for a particular area is to get ALL of the owners in a geographical area on the same bandwagon.  Nothing says you have to go from a 12:1 house shot to a 3:1 sport shot overnight, but if ALL of the houses increased the difficulty to something like 9:1 or 8:1 they wouldn't have to worry about losing customers as much since there's no "easy" place for them to go.

Crash:  I am with you, and surprizing enough I spoke with several juniors over the last weekend.  Almost all of them, boy and girl, ages 11 to 17 prefer sport to house and don't care about their averages.  They care about getting better.  They understand that it doesn't matter if you average 240 or 140, as long as you get 1 more pin then everyone else.
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David Lee Yskes

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Re: Just venting
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2010, 01:19:32 AM »
The bowling alley that I goto would be a prime place to try a harder shot.... but as the "laneman" who i bowl with says, guys will just quit....   And we are the only bowling alley within 20 or 30miles....

And the thing these guys dont understand is it would actually make them better!!!   so instead of having a 200avg, they would maybe drop down to 180... but if they went else where they would actually have a chance to bowl better or w/e.  

A classic example is the Michigan state tourny where they use the Kegel Challenge patterns.   I couldnt even tell you how many guys within 4 lanes on each side would send the ball "out" to only see it hit the 6pin or 10pin or go in the gutter.... And then shake thier head cuz they didnt understand it..

As my pro-shop guy says, if people bowl on a tougher shot long enough, they WILL learn to adjust...

And I'm not saying go to a 3/1 ratio or anything, but just gradually work it down to a flatter shot thats gutter to gutter.  


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