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xrayjay

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kegel training center
« on: September 21, 2011, 05:44:38 AM »
I was wondering if any of you here had the experience of going there to bowl, train, or just visit the place.

 

I am planning to go there some time this year, but mostly likely it'll be next spring. It'll cost me from $700-$1000 depending how many nights I stay at the hotel and if I choose the half day or the full day sessions. Right now, I'm going solo. But hopefully I can get some guys to go for the group lessons.

 

Anyway, I look forward in hearing anything about this place.....


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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 02:16:15 PM »
It’s the best thing to do to improve your game.

I did a full day session with Randy Stoughton and it was worth every penny.


He had me warm up for 10-15 minutes then he began taking video and C.A.T.S. readings. Once he collected enough data we sat down and he explained what I was doing right and what I need improvement on.  After that, we got on the lanes and began working on his suggestion. There was a quick lunch break then back to the lanes to continue working.


At the end of the day I received a DVD of the lesson and my C.A.T.S. readings.


I highly recommend requesting Randy as a coach. He was fun and friendly and explained everything in an easy to understand manner.  




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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 02:20:51 PM »
I agree with above wholeheartedly. I spent 2 days there a couple of years ago with Stephen Padilla (now with the USBC). The only thing you might want to consider is breaking it up into half days if you have the time. Bowling for eight hours, even with breaks and video analysis time, is ALOT of bowling.



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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 02:31:41 PM »
I have been there a few times now(I live in Florida), but so far I have only gone there to practice(no instructor). I have done that for price concerns. It is only 50 dollars for a three hour block, and when you reserve a spot for practice by calling them up, they can put out whatever pattern you'd like to practice on which is neat.

 

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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 08:26:55 AM »
I was at Kegel a few years ago. I learned a lot, not just how to bowl it is worth the money. The cats & Video is an eye opener, I did improve greatly, It gave me  a plan on how to play sport patterns.  I worked with Joe Slowinski only thing I did not like is Joe wants you to bowl his way.  He tried to change a lot with my release My hand physically can do what he wanted to do. because of arthritis but he would not listen to me about that. Overall very good instructor I will do it again when I can get to Fla.  Just Remember the 1st rule of bowling there are no rules do let let any force you into something you can not do physically.



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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 08:49:16 AM »

 




Crash7189 wrote on 9/22/2011 8:26 AM:
I was at Kegel a few years ago. I learned a lot, not just how to bowl it is worth the money. The cats & Video is an eye opener, I did improve greatly, It gave me  a plan on how to play sport patterns.  I worked with Joe Slowinski only thing I did not like is Joe wants you to bowl his way.  He tried to change a lot with my release My hand physically can do what he wanted to do. because of arthritis but he would not listen to me about that. Overall very good instructor I will do it again when I can get to Fla.  Just Remember the 1st rule of bowling there are no rules do let let any force you into something you can not do physically.


 

I had a unpleasant experience with Joe S. myself.


Joe was instructing a couple on the pair next to me as I was practicing.


My coach (Randy) asked Joe what pattern was put down on my pair. Joe told him it was Highway to Hell. Randy told him that I was scoring well on the pair. Joe told him that I probably just broke down the pattern. Randy told him that before lunch I was striking from outside & that I continued to strike from playing inside. Joe rolled his eyes and walked away.


I found it very impolite and unprofessional to act that way, especially in front of a paying customer.




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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 09:51:32 AM »

 The last thing I want is to have someone tell me to be somebody I am not.



Crash7189 wrote on 9/22/2011 8:26 AM:
I was at Kegel a few years ago. I learned a lot, not just how to bowl it is worth the money. The cats & Video is an eye opener, I did improve greatly, It gave me  a plan on how to play sport patterns.  I worked with Joe Slowinski only thing I did not like is Joe wants you to bowl his way.  He tried to change a lot with my release My hand physically can do what he wanted to do. because of arthritis but he would not listen to me about that. Overall very good instructor I will do it again when I can get to Fla.  Just Remember the 1st rule of bowling there are no rules do let let any force you into something you can not do physically.




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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 10:43:07 AM »
Wow -- I find it amazing people would actually pay that amount of money for bowling lesson..  Can we get some avgs..... Also people include if you are playing in open play or sport ....


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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 11:02:12 AM »

 




Zanatos1914 wrote on 9/22/2011 10:43 AM:
Wow -- I find it amazing people would actually pay that amount of money for bowling lesson..  Can we get some avgs..... Also people include if you are playing in open play or sport ....


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I don’t see anything amazing about paying to improve your game.


No matter how good you are you are, there is always room for improvement.


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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 12:43:28 PM »
 



Zanatos1914 wrote on 9/22/2011 10:43 AM:
Wow -- I find it amazing people would actually pay that amount of money for bowling lesson..  Can we get some avgs..... Also people include if you are playing in open play or sport ....


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.... and I find it amazing that some people bowl with two fingers.. To each their own though, right?

 

I went to Kegel in January of '08. I did two day-long sessions with Stephen Padilla and everything was great. I learned a ton, got to speak to Del Warren a bit, started learning how to play straighter, and my average has gone up 10 pins.

 

Jay, you'll definitely find your time at Kegel to be worth it.


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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 01:56:25 PM »
Hi all,
 
I have recently got back from a private half day lesson at Kegel with Coach Joe Slowinski. I'm from Liverpool in the U.K. and i managed to have a lesson while on a Holiday in Orlando. The whole experience was awesome from top to bottom. Brent took the booking and organised everything for me including drilling a couple of balls for me while i was over there.
 
The lesson was a huge eye opener for me. Coach Joe Slowinski took my lesson and was most polite and attentive throughout the 3 hrs. One of the main benefits of the lesson is with the video analysis and the C.A.T.S. information if coach Joe suggested something you can see instantly after the shot what happened. I personally felt this was most productive, and within about 30 mins of starting i was doing 3 step approach which helped me get the feel for where my late timing issue should be then coach Joe suggested trying a 5 step approach and seeing how we got on.
 
Well it was like something just clicked into position. it felt odd to start with but after another 30 mins or so it felt great, coach Joe showed me the video footage from the very begining of the lesson with my 4 step approach to where i was upto at that point and it was like looking at a completely different bowler. It was a huge improvement. Coach Jo then gave me a couple of drills to do when im practicing then he started to work on my swing plane. This was far more of a problem and progress on this was much slower and a lot more difficult, the rest of the 3hrs was taken up with this and at the end I felt like i had moved on somewhat. 
 
The lesson finished and i was almost glad because bowling constantly for the 3 hrs had taken it out of me. But the whole experience was superb and i will definately go back for another lesson or two in a year or so. Maybe with a group if i can interest any friends. 
 
In my opinion the $300 plus tax for the private lesson is more than a worth while investment in your game, If i was going to have a couple of lessons i would try to space them out with a day or two to recover inbetween though.
 
I look at it like this, In the U.K. the $320 for the lesson is the equivilent of 2 low/mid price bowling balls and if the lesson helps me to add 5 pins to my average and helps me with even just one problem then it is well worth it. 
 
To wrap up, all the staff i spoke to were both knowledgeable and also very friendly and approachable. I was amazed at the progress i made with my game in such a small amount of time which i put down to the facilities, the coach and there coaching methods. And I cannot wait to get the chance to go back again and again.
 
Xrayjay if you want to ask me anything else regarding my time at kegel just pm me.
 
Barrie. 



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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2011, 03:44:07 PM »
I went there when I was over with our World Youth team when the WYC was on in 2008, and I also got to bowl there myself.  The staff are great and the little bit instruction we got was good.  It was a shorter than usual lesson I think as, if I recall, all the world youth teams got to play for cheap/free...
 
I'd be interested to hear from any high average sport players to see what they worked on and if they fel it improved their game much?
 
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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2011, 04:50:47 PM »
I've gone to Kegel a few times since it was still in Sebring. 
 
First things first the facilities and coaching staff in Sebring, Winter Haven (Maryfran and Vernon), and Lake Wales are first class.  
 
What I will say is that these facilities are not success factories where you pay the money an instantly become a bowling superstar. They help with facilitating the knowledge, vision, and practice routines that will hopefully enable you to bowl well in competition.
 
Therefore, in essence, what you get out of the training centers is what make out of the training yourself after your visit.  I recommend that people go and continue learning and practicing after their visits here. 

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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 08:54:19 AM »
I do suggest Kegel may not be the answer for everyone if you only bowl a house shot do not waste your Money. Find a Local coach.   Kegel is best for the Sport shot player the Pro , The serious bowler who knows what it takes to improve to the upper level of this sport. Over the years I have gone to many coaches because they all are different.  You the bowler takes from each coach what works best for your game.   There is not one way bowl or coach . Find a coach that works best with your game. I am a Silver level coach myself  I go to other coaches to help my game and also learn from them on what they know about coaching. I suggest to my students to work with other coaches to improve. I am not the only answer, But you have to make sure you use what works best for you. I have been to Kegel, (Joe S.)    Fred Borden, Ron Hatfield, Jeri Edwards , Bill Spigner, Andy Parker, All top level coaches. I have found something each time that helped me with my Game & my coaching . My talent will take me so far, coaching will take me the rest of the way. All bowlers should keep an open mind. The world best bowlers still see a coach.  I still work with Fred & Ron  They are my mentors for my coaching I could not think of a better group of coaches to learn from. Sorry for the rant but to many bowlers think they know everything but will never challenge them selfs to get better I applaud any one you tries never give up .

 

 



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Re: kegel training center
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2011, 10:14:27 PM »
 Mark Baker lives in CA. Not sure any coach could be any better. There are reasons so many of the top pros work with him. Quite likable and won't try to reinvent your style ...won't want you to be what you're not cut out to be.. Kegel is THE training facility. Mark is quite possibly THE coach. Check out the names of the coaches for his 'Dream Camp' in NV if you want to get excited!
   
 
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