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STNCLD25

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league rules
« on: December 01, 2009, 12:44:08 PM »
I bowl a five person mixed league on tuesday nights and a few people have a problem with a couple or situations. One is a rule that allows a sub to bowl for a vacancy if someone pays the lineage of $13.00. The problem is some people don't like it because a team has a guy come and bowled majority of the league already. One captian wants a captians meeting about this and the secretary and president of the league says there will be no meeting. Can any captian call the meeting?


The other problem is a team didn't bowl last week because two of the members of the teams father passed away the previous sat. League rules states post bowling should be completed by the following tuesday or you forfiet. The team didn't post bowl for last week before tonight. A note on the standings sheet said they will be post bowling before next tuesday. There was no captians meeting to discuss this according to some bowlers.
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Atochabsh

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Re: league rules
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 10:45:33 PM »
The thing about post bowling, with the holiday and the passing of a family member I can totally understand more time allowed.  But it should be put to a league vote for allowance.  I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be allowed. Most people have at least that small amount of generousity in them.  YOu'd think.  

The subing for a vacancy?  That's just strange.  What happens to that person's prize fund? Who gets credit for the prize fund? Someone else form the team with the vacancy?  The person that paid the $13?  What a nightmare for the treasurer and secretary.  

yes a team captain can request a league meeting of the president.
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kidlost2000

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Re: league rules
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 10:59:12 PM »
Most league rule mean little. USBC is very vague in most cases with league rules and enforcement. Most cases are learned through bad experiences.
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Atochabsh

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Re: league rules
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2009, 04:18:53 AM »
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A rule is a "rule". When you start making "exceptions" to the rules, you will have many poblems  

 
That's true.  And in this situation an exception would need 100% vote of the league officers and team captains.  But there's also the unspoken rule of "due unto others......"  If you are too much of a hard nose it may come back to bite you in the long run.  Some would say that this situation would call for an "emergency" (the death in the family) and warrent an extended week to arrange for the post bowl.  

Rule 111, page 58 goes  through a whole bunch of pre and post bowling rules.  But they are still arbitrary to a league vote to go off the beaten trail of existing league rules.  But this situation would qualify, IMO, as an emergency and thus should be put to league vote to schedule the post bowling beyond the existing league rules.  Arranging funeral activities and travelling to said funerals can take up a lot of time.  

Granted league bowling isn't like arranging funerals and such for family.  They will undoubtedly be absent and either forfeit or take their average, but its not unreasonable to cut them some slack in this situation.  

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2009, 01:30:58 PM »
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A rule is a "rule". When you start making "exceptions" to the rules, you will have many poblems  

 
That's true.  And in this situation an exception would need 100% vote of the league officers and team captains.  But there's also the unspoken rule of "due unto others......"  If you are too much of a hard nose it may come back to bite you in the long run.  Some would say that this situation would call for an "emergency" (the death in the family) and warrent an extended week to arrange for the post bowl.  

Rule 111, page 58 goes  through a whole bunch of pre and post bowling rules.  But they are still arbitrary to a league vote to go off the beaten trail of existing league rules.  But this situation would qualify, IMO, as an emergency and thus should be put to league vote to schedule the post bowling beyond the existing league rules.  Arranging funeral activities and travelling to said funerals can take up a lot of time.  

Granted league bowling isn't like arranging funerals and such for family.  They will undoubtedly be absent and either forfeit or take their average, but its not unreasonable to cut them some slack in this situation.  

Erin
 


I agree with Erin on this, if you are so hard nosed and can't allow others the opportunity to work out under these conditions you may just find that people will start dropping out of you league.

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STNCLD25

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Re: league rules
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2009, 08:18:03 PM »
A couple of other bowlers were complaining to me about it, expecially one girl try to get me into a fight with the secretary about it. It doesn't bother me that they haven't post bowl yet. I am friends with the two people.
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STNCLD25

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2009, 08:20:11 PM »
Oh and this girl that trying to cause trouble doesn't like the secretary of the league.
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Atochabsh

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2009, 01:26:51 AM »
Most handicap leagues are very small on the prize fund side. And whether you get 2nd place or 3rd place usually ends up being a difference in less then $20.  

I'd like to think that someone's grief, stess from a close death in the family is worth more then $20.  

People that have not had to deal with all the necessities surrounding the death of a close family member have no idea how all-consuming it is.  Very intense stress for weeks death notices, funeral arrangements, wills and lawyers.......it seems endless.  And possibly this team will get to the point where they will not care if they post bowl or not.  They'll take the forfeit because it is the easiest path of least resistance when everything else they are dealing with is full of red tape and hoop jumping.  

If one person is causing the upset, then probably they are the ones out of line.

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Re: league rules
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2009, 08:19:17 PM »
I would leave it alone. It could cause you more harm in the future.
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Atochabsh

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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 06:42:03 AM »
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expecially one girl try to get me into a fight with the secretary about it.


Let her fight her own battle and take the reprucusions herself.  She's only trying to put you in the line of fire while getting what she wants.  She's too cowardly to stand up for what she believes is right and voice her opinion.  

I can see it now once you've made the grand stand and put your head on the chopping block.  "I told him that it wasn't that big a deal"  "I was just upset at the time".  

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justdale

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Re: league rules
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2009, 07:27:54 AM »
Your question was really never answered, but I will try,

 Yes a team captain can ask for a captains meeting, he/she has that right.
Your secretary has no say in this matter, but the league president is really the one in charge of meetings, it should be brought up to him/her and keep it professional. Meetings most of the time are a pain in the butt, but if handles right it could be over in minutes without any arguments
USBC rules are just a guide line, league rules supercede, USBC rules are good if there is no rule in place for every instance. The league can make up any crazy rule they want,
as far as post bowl, the rules are simple as far as USBC is concerned, follow them to the letter, and there shouldn't be a problem
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