Author Topic: How quickly things change (Read 1207 times)

MichiganBowling · « **on:** January 26, 2005, 06:56:18 AM »

I am not willing to admit that change is inevitable, because I don't think it is. But for those of you who believe it, do you think it is healthy for things to change drastically?

I am 29 and started bowling when I was 14. In those 15 years, I have already seen the pecking order change 2 or 3 times. It just happened recently in the last 3-5 years. Guys who couldn't hook the ball can now hook enough to carry. Crankers don't need accuracy anymore. The not-so-good bowlers have become the high average bowlers in less than 5 years. Is THIS rate of change a good thing?

I think it is only accelerating the speed at which we lose bowlers.
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MichiganBowling · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2005, 03:34:27 PM »

Hmmm. I suppose you may be right. I guess I'm not talking about the 225+ averages, but rather the 210-225 averages. I was around a 210-220 average bowler with urethane as a young adult and am still there with resin. Perhaps I just suck. hahaha. But seriously, a lot of others stayed there with me while new people caught up to us. The best bowlers were 220-230 with urethane, and yes you are correct, they are now around 230-245 with resin.

Why didn't my average go up? On tougher oil patterns, I climb the ladder once again and those that caught me with resin quickly fall behind. Am I just a freak of bowling nature?

haha, seriously though. Am I the only one out there?
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DavidKSNK · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2005, 04:14:01 PM »

I have to agree with styguy here to some degree.

I'm fairly new to this sport.

But when I come on this website it seems like every day there is another post from one of the older members about how bowling is done for...blah blah.

Now I respect what they say because there are folks on this board who were bowling long before I was born. I don't dispute that there is a overall decline in league bowling.

But, the complaints about easy shots, bowling ball technology is somewhat redundant. Sport technology evolves, that's a fact. Many records that have been broken in the sporting world in the past decade have been a result of technology.

I actually enjoy bowling ball technology. I think it is fascinating the way it has evolved. It's always fun to see how a ball reacts with different drill layouts and coverstock preps.

As for easy shots, I disagree with this strongly. My house is middle of the road. Not difficult, but not super easy. I've bowled on true walls, but those houses in my experience are far and few. I personally don't care what the shot is because I've bowled on much harder shots than what my house has put down and been able to do fine. I've yet to bowl on a sport shot, but I can't wait till I do.

But like styguy said, there's way too much negative stuff said about bowling by some on here. At times it makes me want to just quit because it's very depressing to read.
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pin-chaser · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2005, 05:35:26 PM »

Styguy,

I suppose I am of those "old guys" that you talk about. And I respect your opinion. And so is Bob Hansen who politely said, that the youth bowlers today lack the SKILL to know what to do on a demanding conditions. They exact type of condition you will face if you make it to the top rung of bowling (PBA and national events). The problem with your view is that you are on the other side of the fence and dont respect what us on the other side know for a fact. When you get over here and understand that you were niave you will agree that what you are learning now has little to do with what you need to know to do some real bowling.

There is the issue. We might complain about how bowling is far to easy and scores are too high but it is becuase we care about this as a sport long term and not the short sighted what have I done today mentality that prevails.

I hope this does not come off the wrong way, but it had to be said.
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Strike300 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2005, 07:21:20 PM »

Styguy sorry but todays game is terrible. Im young and wish they'd do something to bring some integrity to the game. If you wanna see how bad it is for yourself bowl on a sport, pba, or abc pattern and you'll see just how easy it your THS is.

a_ak57 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2005, 07:28:28 PM »

Now you're just trying to make everyone feel bad for you. Boohoo. You argued and said peopel were annoying and wrong, they came back. Get over it. You try to argue and rant, expect people to do the same to you....
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a_ak57 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2005, 07:35:00 PM »

WEll considering you just deleted your last post talking about "goodbye to this game let me know when it's fun after i gave up so much for it blah blah blah".........
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fishnic · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2005, 07:40:48 PM »

Im am looking forward to my youth sport shot this summer, to see how bad i am, and what i need to work on its kind of hard to work on stuff on a wall, i don't care if i avg 150.
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pin-chaser · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2005, 10:03:23 PM »

I want everyone to know that I am not ever trying to criticize anyone for shooting a score. You bowled it and you deserved it and you should be proud of it. No matter what you bowled it on.

It is not anyones fault the condition is the way it is and we all have the same opportunities.

My points are focused on determining and repairing what is wrong with the game. Discussions in open forums like this one only help to understand the issues from varied viewpoints and is not meant to defame anyone or any achievement. Please forgive me if you have offened anyone.

It also should be understood, that we all speak in generalities and not in specifics. By this I mean, in general, most the the conditions faced in league play today is THS. This does not mean your house is or your league is. But for the overall problems we discuss it is in general terms.

Styguy, we know the sport has changed and not necessarily for the better. Let me explain my point... integrity... lets say you are the strongest man that has ever lived and you set the record of lifting 1000 pounds which no one has beat and it is the most astonishing thing you yourself admit. Then suddenly, people are beating that record all the time. Is it because people are stronger or is it because of the pills? The integrity for your achievement is worthless to the masses and kids say...just get used it it pills are changing everything.

This is exactly what has happened with bowling. When you reach a level in bowling today you can shoot award scores very frquently where it was reserved for once in a life time achievement or for the very top bowlers 5 times. Now many bowlers have 5,10 300's per year. And the bottom line is, are these bowlers as good in bowling as there peer's? There really is no way to know... but the assumpting today is no becuase there is the doubt that technology causes. See everyone looses this way. Except in my opinion the technology manufactures and the sanctioning body that gets paid to stamp the technology as approved.

I hope this makes sense.

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MichiganBowling · « **Reply #9 on:** January 27, 2005, 10:56:58 AM »

I forgot to ask the question regarding Styguy's comments...

Who here thinks Emmit Smith is the greatest rusher of all time?

I think we know that nobody would say he is. This is the problem with technology as you put it. Although I'm not sure he benefitted from technology. Yikes, my head hurts now.

Anyways, another statement styguy made was that technology will raise the level that we have to play at. That's actually backwards. To average 220 now you don't have to have any skills hardly, whereas before you had to be very accurate and know how to carry.

With everything said, I do understand the frustration of the youngins. I'm 29 and when I was 18-23, I heard the same crap about how we would have been horrible back in the 60's or 70's. Guess what, maybe we would have bowled different back then! Geesh.

I for one will admit saying such things as "300's mean nothing anymore", but that is not to say that some solid 300's haven't been shot, and same with 800's. But I for one have thrown some lousy 300's and have seen plenty more! 300 should stand for something, but the skill level it takes to shoot a 300 covers quite a broad range. The same goes for a 220 average!

In other words, If I average 220 and you average 210, then I should have more skill than you. But on a sport shot that 210 person might be 10 pins higher than the 220 person, so I guess we're really talking about 2 different sports altogether.

Is this good for bowling?
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Strike300 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 27, 2005, 02:01:40 PM »

Quit makin this into a old and young thing. I'm 20. THS suxs. U don't have to have any skill. Bowl on a sport, pba, or abc pattern and we'll see how much skill you have. THEY R RIGHT. THERES NO INTEGRITY IN THIS GAME.

Steven · « **Reply #11 on:** January 27, 2005, 04:20:48 PM »

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To average 220 now you don't have to have any skills hardly, whereas before you had to be very accurate and know how to carry.

I don't know the exact number, but the actual percentage of sanctioned bowlers who average 220+ is in the 1%-2% range (and that might be high).

I don't know what conditions you see, but even on the softest I've encountered, 220+ average bowlers are the exception -- not anywhere close to the norm. You have to be a relatively skilled spare shooter, and be able to make adjustments as the lanes transition. The bottom line is that skills are required to achieve the infamous 220 barrier over the long haul, so I obviously disagree with your premise.

Your analysis suggests that 98%+ of all bowlers are drooling idiots on the lanes. Many may take issue with this.

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a_ak57 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2005, 04:22:59 PM »

Didn't we once find out that the national average for men is still like 170-180? Just some food for thought.....I'm not sure if the 220+ averages are as rampant as you guys think....
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Strike300 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:12:25 PM »

220 may not be but I know for a fact the number of 200+'s are way up.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2005, 06:34:22 PM »

I've thrown about 15 perfect 258s! I mean every ball so flush and yet 2 ringing 7 pins a game. I've seen a bunch of sort of wobbly looking 300s.

That doesn't mean anything it was just the luck of carry. There have been crappy 300s thrown for 90 years!

Anyway the game is easy for some if oil is put out(I'm one) and easy for others when dry. Easy for some when area and hard for others when there is a lot of area(their scores go up) but not enough for them to be competitive.

Different styles different strokes lead to horses for courses.

We often tend to do best on that condition we grew up on!

Those that are great on all conditions are called touring professionals.
Those that are good on some are usual called workers, amatuer bowlers, or part time players.

The description of all of us except for the Jeff Carters, CJ's and etc that come out to visit us!

REgards,

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