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APheLion

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whats the move when u change lanes?
« on: May 15, 2007, 02:32:03 AM »
in my league i have to change lanes after each game, and sometimes im completely lost for the first 2 shots since i have no idea how the lane i move to is going to be

what would u do when u face this situation?

try the same shot and adjust according to that?
try with something smoother so can read the lanes better?

or better yet, dont think and just grab a ball and throw it
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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2007, 10:35:56 AM »
If you know where you are moving too, go watch a couple of shots and see where they are playing.

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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2007, 10:37:10 AM »
I usually make a 5 board jump to just get out of the area.
If it still not cutting it, I'll move 5 more after 2 frames.

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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2007, 01:09:13 PM »
I usually throw the ball the same way I did on the previous pair and adjust accordingly, whatever you do do it consistently.
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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2007, 01:12:44 PM »
If I haven't been able to see the pair I'm moving to I'll start w/ about a 1 and 1 move left (right handed) from the pair I'm leaving.  Usually after 1 shot I have a pretty good idea of where I want to be.  If you can see the pair you're going to you should be lined up pretty much to start.  Most houses, on a THS, are pretty predictable as to the way they break down.  You may find a 2 + 2 move or 2 + 1 more to your liking, but make the same move you would anticipate making if you did not change pairs.
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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2007, 01:17:25 PM »
I always think that on a fresh pair of lanes, all you can do is bowl on them the way you finished on the previous pair (unless you didn't have a line, in which case, try something out). It's a bit of a lottery, and you might be close to leaving a split but I can't see any logical reason why you'd play a different line.

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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2007, 02:51:38 PM »
Start where you left off and adjust accordingly.  Even if you watch the previous bowlers, their speed, rev rate, axis tilt, etc., are likely to be different from yours.



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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2007, 03:37:29 PM »
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If I haven't been able to see the pair I'm moving to I'll start w/ about a 1 and 1 move left (right handed) from the pair I'm leaving.  Usually after 1 shot I have a pretty good idea of where I want to be.  If you can see the pair you're going to you should be lined up pretty much to start.  Most houses, on a THS, are pretty predictable as to the way they break down.  You may find a 2 + 2 move or 2 + 1 more to your liking, but make the same move you would anticipate making if you did not change pairs.
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This is also what I will typically do, watch and see how the pair I'm moving to is playing or start out with a 2 + 1 move. So far it has worked and I haven't been left with any ugly leaves.
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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2007, 03:40:29 PM »
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Start where you left off and adjust accordingly.  Even if you watch the previous bowlers, their speed, rev rate, axis tilt, etc., are likely to be different from yours.



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Your watching the other players to see were they are playing the lane so you can try to anticipate oil breakdown. The way they actually roll the bowl really has nothing to do with why I watch the pair I'm moving to.
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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2007, 04:23:27 PM »
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Start where you left off and adjust accordingly.  Even if you watch the previous bowlers, their speed, rev rate, axis tilt, etc., are likely to be different from yours.


Your watching the other players to see were they are playing the lane so you can try to anticipate oil breakdown. The way they actually roll the bowl really has nothing to do with why I watch the pair I'm moving to.


Agreed.  Knowing where they're playing and with what kind of equipment can help give you an idea of what parts of the lane are burnt or slick.  I'd like to know if I'm following a guy throwing plastic hard at the head pin or a geezer rolling an 80-grit sponge up 10.

Go read Jeff Carter's blog and see how many times he mentions throwing a ball or two on a new pair, guessing that Eugene McCune had been throwing a ball so dull you feel bored looking at it, and finding out that he's correct.

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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2007, 08:18:02 PM »
The point I was trying to make is that the lanes have to PROVE that they're different to me before I GUESS that they will play differently.  If you have a basis to start from, you will find out on the first shot that crossed your previous line, whether you're lined up or not.

If you move before throwing a shot and you're wrong, you'll have to decide if you hit your mark, missed your release, slowed the ball down, sped it up, etc. and eliminate all those variables before you can zero in on the line. This could take a few valuable frames unless you're a THROWBOT and repeat each shot perfectly every time.  

It certainly can't hurt to know where the lanes have been played, but I wouldn't base my whole decision on it.  We aren't usually talking about PBA conditions that are much more difficult to read, but if you are, then it becomes more important to see who has been throwing what and where.  Good luck.








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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2007, 08:55:34 PM »
i do understand that each lane is different and i play different on the same pair.

sometimes i get to see what other guys reactions are but sometimes it just takes longer for me to finish and have to guess.

what i think is that if the first shot is way too surprising, then the move in the other lane should be close to what i would do in the first lane.
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When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.

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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2007, 01:58:59 AM »
I face the same challenge, e. g. in summer league after 2 games or in official league after each game on a new pair of lanes.

I think it depends on how well the lanes are prepared and how fresh they are before playing starts. If the oil is fresh and I know there had been equal traffic on all pairs, then I just stick with my old line and ball - if I did not find that it would be about time to change the ball if I see a weakening reaction and have already made any adjustment in my comfort zone. Most of the time, this works quite well and I can get along where I stopped on the former lane.
When I switch to another ball, I have an idea of the lane and how to play it, and to my luck I need 2-4 shots to get back into the pocket with the new line/ball once I am in the groove.

BUT: I also played house league in an alley that was renowned for bad lane maintenance, both in league and tournaments (the house is BTW not accepted for "official" playing and I do not play there anymore) - and there any "strategy" to take knowledge from one lane to another was obsolete. After changing lanes (no test shots) you had to pray that you might be able to take the former line, but in most cases this did not work, and I found myself riddled for the next frames what to try next or at all to get back. Deadly situation in tournament, and no fun at all.
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Re: whats the move when u change lanes?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2007, 05:08:20 AM »
Here is what works for me, if I am not lost and have a good line to the pocket, usually every pair will play from a simillar break point if you are playing the shot right.

Very few people cross the exact same boards on the way to the break point. That being said you should usually find oil at least for the first few frames to play the exact line you were playing on the previous pair, and then adjust accordingly.

The only time I have found that I have had to make a big move is when I crossed with people playing the exact same line I was playing. The move was to make the next move if the lanes are breaking down with 2 and 1 or 4 and 3 or 5 and 3 or 2 and 2 or some other pattern, and I am crossing with simillar bowlers, then I make the next anticipated move before I throw the first ball, if I am right I still have a shot at 300, if I am wrong, I am still looking at a makeable spare usually and can move back the next shot.

Another problem is when the lanes make a big transition right at the end of the game, I usually go back to where I was before the transition since usually no one else was playing that line, then anticipate the lane transitioning very quickly after that.

I am a tweener, if you are a stroker or rev dominant player, the number of people playing your line will be more than for me. Usually the power players will burn up between the 15 and 20 board and the strokers will burn up between the 5 and 10 board, leaving between 10 and 17 for me, I know that if I move inside of 17 I have to make a big change if there are a high percentage of power players, but you have to watch your ball reaction, just be prepared for a big move. The move I usually make is to move inside with the power players, but play a tighter break point than them with a little more speed, or less speed and wheel on it if I need to match them.

Strokers will need to alter their game usually after moving inside of 13 at the arrows, the move is to either get more side and less speed, or more speed and less side and move back out side.

Power players usually start around 15 on fresh oil and move in quickly to take advantage of the tweeners and strokers opening up the shot, and are always on the lookout for fresh head oil to help get the ball to the break point.

I usually find that I play the lanes simillarly to the ones that do well in the tournament, if it is not me that day (usually isn't since I don't practice like I should).