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imjouster

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Going old school for the summer...
« on: June 17, 2011, 09:04:49 PM »
So I decided in an attempt to give myself a challenge and to just have a little fun this summer I'm going with an all old school line-up.  Unfortunately I can't remember exactly how hard some of these hook monsters hook.  If someone could order the bowling balls from 1-6, 6 hooking the most (or however you want to do it).  I would appreciate it.  I understand this is probably going to be somewhat difficult and probably some mixed opinions.  I just kind of want a ball park estimate so I know which balls to put what surfaces on. This is my guess... tell me how accurate I am.
 
6  Purple Hammer
5  Blue Hammer
4  Blue Angle
3  Black Angle
2  Pink Hammer
1  Blue Pearl Hammer
 
Am I close? and if anybody has had any hands on experience with any of these bowling balls (specifically the angles vs the hammers, I would love to hear what your thoughts were.  Thanks in advance :)
 
Edited by imjouster on 6/18/2011 at 5:06 AM

 

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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2011, 08:08:32 AM »
1. PINK

2. BLUE PEARL

3. BLACK ANGLE

4.BLUE ANGLE

5.PURPLE

6.BLUE SOLID

 

 It will be a toss up between the blue pearl HAMMER and the BLACK ANGLE, but the HAMMER is a bit more "rolly", and the ANGLE is a solid. At the same finish, they will probably be close.

 

 The ANGLES will have more length before reaction starts than the HAMMERS. The HAMMERS will tend to be much more "rolly" than the ANGLES due to the fact that the HAMMERS are two piece construction, while the ANGLES are three piece.

 

 When you say PURPLE, do you mean the actual PURPLE one, or the MAROON one? There is a difference, and many do not realize the PURPLE one ever existed.

 

 
 
Edited by Juggernaut on 6/18/2011 at 8:12 AM
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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2011, 05:12:56 PM »
Least to most.....
 
1. Pink Hammer
2. Blue Pearl Hammer
3. Black Angle
4. Blue Angle
5. Purple Hammer
6. Blue Hammer
 
The Purple and Blue Hammers are pretty close but it's my recollection that the purple was a bit stronger on the backend than the blue.
 


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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2011, 05:40:29 PM »
Ok so I wasn't too far off.  And yes it is a Purple hammer, not a burgundy.  I actually have  NIB burgundy in my closet, but there is no way I'm going to drill it up just to have some random fun with it... at least not yet.  the only one I'm a little confused about is the pinky vs the blue/pearl.  I currently use the blue/pearl for spares as it is, keep a nice coat of polish on it at all times.  I haven't used the pinky in a while, I got it used, and never polished it after I got it plugged and redrilled, Its sanded to I BELIEVE 1000 grit.  Now, could I make the pink into an earlier rolling ball that is a bit stronger than the blue pearl by taking it to say 800 grit or even leaving it at 1000 grit, and leaving the blue pearl with a nice glossy finish on it? I think what I'm going to try for an arsonel is... (of course still just messing around here and everything is subject to change, I don't expect to be able to cover every condition possible with these bowling balls, and I imagine there will be some overlap)
 
Blue Hammer at 500 grit
Purple Hammer at 800 grit
Blue angle at 800 grit
Black angle at 500 polished
Pink hammer at 800 grit
Blue/pearl hammer at 1000 grit polished
 
Does that sound like a decent lineup?

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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2011, 06:54:12 PM »
My blue hammer is at 500 grit and plays the house shots well.  Arcs and finishes hard.  Some of the other league bowlers think the ball is loaded because of the way it hits.

 
Edited by r534me on 6/18/2011 at 10:28 PM

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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2011, 07:54:42 PM »
The Pink is milder AND harder hitting than the Blue Pearl.
I don't know anyone who "dared" to modify the Pink as it was such an incredibly great ball for the really dry. I tried a Blue Pearl a while back (6-8 years, maybe)  and it never came closer to the power of the Pink on really dry lanes.
 
I'd have to say that the Pink is almost as great a dry lanes ball as the Visionary Blue/Green Centaur and that's saying a lot.


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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2011, 06:34:30 AM »
Ain't that the truth and I agree! 
 
charlest wrote on 6/18/2011 7:54 PM:
I'd have to say that the Pink is almost as great a dry lanes ball as the Visionary Blue/Green Centaur and that's saying a lot.


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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2011, 09:39:53 AM »

 OK, make me the third. I liked my B/G, but I LOVED my PINKY, so much that I still have one in the closet that is too heavy for me that I WILL NOT be getting rid of, not unless I find one in my weight.

 

 PINKY was the absolute best I have ever thrown when the lanes were right. Back during the days of the ABC "short oil" rule, this ball was the ONLY one I needed or used.

 

 Most consistent ball I've EVER thrown. What it did once, it would do again and again.

 

 



scotts33 wrote on 6/19/2011 6:34 AM:
Ain't that the truth and I agree! 
 



charlest wrote on 6/18/2011 7:54 PM:
I'd have to say that the Pink is almost as great a dry lanes ball as the Visionary Blue/Green Centaur and that's saying a lot.


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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2011, 09:48:08 AM »
I have all of these Hammers that imjouster is going to use this summer.  BUT they are ALL 16's and way to much for me.  I am down to 14's. 
 
I will be using two old school Visionary balls (Scorcher NPT, Orange Warlock) on my wet/dry THS this fall.  The successors of these Hammers.  Until proprietor's put out more oil across the lane which in my area ain't happening for leagues these kinds of balls are all you need IMO. 
Juggernaut wrote on 6/19/2011 9:39 AM:

 OK, make me the third. I liked my B/G, but I LOVED my PINKY, so much that I still have one in the closet that is too heavy for me that I WILL NOT be getting rid of, not unless I find one in my weight.

 

 PINKY was the absolute best I have ever thrown when the lanes were right. Back during the days of the ABC "short oil" rule, this ball was the ONLY one I needed or used.

 

 Most consistent ball I've EVER thrown. What it did once, it would do again and again.

 

 



scotts33 wrote on 6/19/2011 6:34 AM:
Ain't that the truth and I agree! 
 



charlest wrote on 6/18/2011 7:54 PM:
I'd have to say that the Pink is almost as great a dry lanes ball as the Visionary Blue/Green Centaur and that's saying a lot.


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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2011, 02:12:44 PM »
I think I was one of only a few who really wasn't a huge fan of the B/G centaur.  I bought it with the idea of dry lanes in mind.  at the stock 1500 grit it was just too much ball for the dry lanes I encounter out here.  After taking it up to 4000 abralon it was a bit better but I still prefered to use my slate blue gargoyle, or even my purple hammer for drier lanes.  I need to pull out the B/G again and try it, I've changed a bit with my game and it may match up with my game better now, who knows for sure. 
 
I'm not old enough to remember the short oil rules or anything like that, and I have never used a pink hammer at stock surface... but I do know that I'm impressed with the way it hits regardless of how the surface is now.  In fact, I'm impressed with the way all old school urethane hammers hit.  Hence why I've got kind of a goal to own every one of the original hammers NIB (stupid ball collecting addiction).  I'm getting closer... I have the Black, Pink, and Burgundy all NIB.  Just need Red, Purple, Blue, Red pearl, and Blue pearl.... its not something that's gonna happen overnight though hah.
 
oh, any thoughts on changes I should make to the surfaces I suggested? other than polishing the pinky back up :P

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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2011, 02:46:05 PM »
Not really any more suggestions, just a word of advice. Having used the old HAMMERS in their day for just this exact reason, they are deceptively "rolly", and will fool you if you let them.

 What I mean is, they tended to pick up a roll sooner than other urethane balls of the day, so they "looked" like they weren't hooking as much. DO NOT BE FOOLED.

 

 I loved the way the old HAMMERS would hit and carry WITHOUT having that hard, unpredictable backend motion that some of the others (ANGLES and U-DOTS) seemed to have at times (which, looking back now, sounds ridiculous, given what the resin balls do).

 

 The old HAMMERS were the kings of their day. AMF always claimed the ANGLE was the winningest ball on tour, but that was because HAMMERS were made by a small company while ANGLES were made by the most predominant company at that time. HAMMERS became very popular thereafter, but most big name stars were signed to ball contracts which kept them from using the HAMMERS (Like Mark Roth, Mike Aulby, and Johnny Petraglia using Brunswick RHINOS and Earl Anthony using Ebonite MAGNUMS and GYROS)

 

 After many saw the advantage of the HAMMER balls, those who could began to use them in droves.

 

 Incidentally, and, as an afterthought, you do know that the Wonders family that makes Visionary stuff is the same family that developed the HAMMER balls, don't you? After much financial trouble, they sold the HAMMER name to Ebonite, then started the Visionary company in the old St. Louis plant where HAMMER balls were made.
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Re: Going old school for the summer...
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2011, 03:25:56 PM »
Absolutely do know that.  I've talked with Jason on the phone a few times.  They have a great family and I really respect and love most of their equipment.  as of late I haven't found a lot of their stuff to match up to my style, but I'm always willing to try it hah.  and I've had quite a bit of experience with hammer stuff, used my dad's old black hammer for a while before I got my purple one.  And I've used my blue pearl off and on for years now.  Now it primarily serves as a spare ball that can handle toast if needed.