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charlest

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My basic release creates a large hook: a combination of more than average but not cranker revs and medium to less than average speed. As a result, I almost always play an inside line, usually starting around the 3rd arrow. Over the past year or so, my efforts seem to reap little reward for good shot making; there are possibly several reasons for this.

One friend has suggested I learn to throw a smaller hook. I have tried this over the years, unsuccessfully; it always resulted is significantly less hitting power. Over the past 18 months I have been experimenting with many versions of a smaller hook, on an irregular basis. That is part of the problem: lack of consistency and lack of sticking-to-it. Lately I seem to have been more successful. In fact, I did it today, in all 6 games I practiced. Not perfect, but almost satisfactory. I intend to use it in my scratch (read: serious) league tomorrow night; I have been doing especially poorly all year in this one.

So, in today's practice, I noticed something that shocked me quite a bit: I used two balls which are almost at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of oil handling and "normal" amount of hook, WITH MY NORMAL RELEASE. Yet with this smaller hook release, my breakpoint remained the same, yet my feet's starting position varied by only 5 boards. Normally, with these 2 balls, my feet starting position would be about ..., at least 10 boards different.

Not being familiar with smaller hook philosophy, my question is this -
Do people who throw smaller hook balls require fewer balls to cover a range of conditions than larger hook players. (I am not talking about special condition balls.)

(With a larger hook, I thought I needed to be especially wary of transitions and carrydown and spotty oil patterns.)
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Re: Large hook vs small hook:: how many balls are needed to make an arsenal?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2004, 01:03:48 AM »
I have a big hook, i use most of the lane . I usually stand on the left side 3rd arrow ( to make it more clear).  My best friend is a power bowler, he has a much smaller hook then me , his ball usually  slides in late on the backend cause of his speed. Now were to different bowlers with 2 different style.  But we still have 3 balls each for all different type of conditions .  Med to heavy oil, Light to dry, and our plastic spare ball.  I dont think the hook really matters, i think the condition of lanes matter. Some guys feel the need to carry a wide variety of balls  an companies cause it helps them out. The question is on the conditions you play on  are you comfortable with the balls you are using, and if your getting results. No matter what ball you get it can be drilled to compliment the way that you throw.
I think it depends on person.

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Re: Large hook vs small hook:: how many balls are needed to make an arsenal?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2004, 02:36:42 AM »
charlest,

Yes and no. I see some similarities between your description and my own experiences this season. I am working on a tighter game aiming more directly for the pocket instead of looking for a breakpoint several boards away. With this game, I find I spend less time watching for the lanes to open up. For me, this means I can bring one or two strike balls instead of four.

Mind you, I still take four strike balls with me when I know that the lanes are going to open up a lot or when I know nothing about the conditions I am going to face.
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Re: Large hook vs small hook:: how many balls are needed to make an arsenal?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2004, 05:08:48 AM »
Hi Charlest,

I have also cut back on my turn over the last 10 years in order to make use of current and future technology as industry appears to continue their path in creating bigger hooking balls.  Baseball doesn't allow aluminum, golf stopped at titanium, but we continue to go forward and for many, have run out of lane.

For league play, yes, I no longer have to worry about hook because I can take just a couple of balls and play more of the dry to get reaction.  However, when I go to tournaments I definitely have to take at least 4 to 5 with surface differences to be prepared.  So, not sure how many more or less a big hook player is taking but I'm guessing it's about the same.

In regards to the smaller hook, look at the PBA with all the greatest power players in the world there, how direct is Mika?  Walter Ray?  After watching Walter Ray win consistently on the tour, it made me think twice about the necessity of having a big hook to score and score consistently.  I think the hook game was necessary and impressive when equipment didn't allow it to happen so easily, but now that we can buy "hook out a box", adding to it has been a little too much becoming overkill.  Somewhat the equivalent of having a golf driver that can hit 400 yards by itself....just too much.  Just my thoughts...
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Re: Large hook vs small hook:: how many balls are needed to make an arsenal?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2004, 05:20:48 AM »
My favorite shot is still straight or a small swing right near 10.

The other day I was playing on a pretty wet shot with a ball weaker than usual, 7 at the dots and 8 at the arrows.  It was really carrying and hummin!

I sometimes get told(often playing on the left 3rd arrow).  "Boy you've got a lot of hook".  Not by league bowlers but by passerbys.  My reply, "the only purpose is to take out the 5 pin"

Charlest don't you find that pin position can take out a lot of boards covered for you?

It does for me. With no change in hand action.

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PS ball above on the point line was drilled 5 1/2 X 6 1/2.

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charlest

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Re: Large hook vs small hook:: how many balls are needed to make an arsenal?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2004, 05:43:02 AM »
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My favorite shot is still straight or a small swing right near 10.


That would be mine also, if I could have progressed with making a small hook hit decently.

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Charlest don't you find that pin position can take out a lot of boards covered for you? It does for me. With no change in hand action.


Once you go to weaker/milder balls, putting the pin in a weak position doesn't make all that much difference because the core is so weak to begin with. I've tried it with stronger balls and it doesn't make a big enough difference. The covers are too strong.

This week for my really dry Monday, I've given up bought and drilled a 15 lb Barrage (my 16 lb Barrage rolled out last week!) and a 15 lb XXXL (the plastic). Practice went well and will try them next Wednesday.

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