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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Gid837 on January 04, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
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I bowl on a team that is probably the 3rd highest team average in the league (30 team league, 5 members)
Im around. Our averages are 220, 213, 208. 205 and 195. Smaller city (80k population) and averages across the board are lower than most metro areas. Just because less numbers of bowlers.
Last night, I began throwing a no rules and everyone else was throwing shiny equipment.
Leadoff 650
2hole 640
me 730
4th 690
anchor 740
we shoot 1278 game 1 with 2 opens in the 10th
after league. Other team comes up to us and says. "Thanks for making league bowling no fun" Apparently they were under the assumption that we burned the lanes up to where they couldn't play them. When in reality they just never put in any work on their game (other than just drilling a new piece)
Am i in the wrong for telling them to work on their game if they want to beat us?
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Did they specify that they were mad about the way that the lanes played and/or what you did to cause it, or were they just mad that you guys shot lights out and beat the crap out of them?
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I bowl on a team that is probably the 3rd highest team average in the league (30 team league, 5 members)
Im around. Our averages are 220, 213, 208. 205 and 195. Smaller city (80k population) and averages across the board are lower than most metro areas. Just because less numbers of bowlers.
Last night, I began throwing a no rules and everyone else was throwing shiny equipment.
Leadoff 650
2hole 640
me 730
4th 690
anchor 740
we shoot 1278 game 1 with 2 opens in the 10th
after league. Other team comes up to us and says. "Thanks for making league bowling no fun" Apparently they were under the assumption that we burned the lanes up to where they couldn't play them. When in reality they just never put in any work on their game (other than just drilling a new piece)
Am i in the wrong for telling them to work on their game if they want to beat us?
Not in my opinion. If they equate fun with winning, then they should do more to ensure the winning part. I'm 50. I didn't really get into bowling until almost exactly 4 years ago when my son and I went bowling over winter break just to get out of the house and do something. He immediately liked it and I signed him up mid season for league and he hasn't looked back.
That ensuing fall I joined my first sanctioned league (after doing a summer league with my son that summer). I took it seriously. I wanted to compete. I finished that season with a 196 avg (prior to 4 years ago I had never bowled a 200 game). I did summer league again...we took it seriously. I read. I watch videos. I work on different things. Next season 197. Summer league. take it serious. Read more. Learn more. Next season, 206.
This season I'm at 212 right now. I started late in life and it would be easy for me to be ok and be satisfied and never do anything to try to get better. But that's not me. I want to compete, and mostly I'm competing with myself. It blows my mind to see younger guys with like a 160 average doing the same thing over and over. Not trying something different, not improving. If my team gets it handed to us on a given night, we don't say the other team ruined it all and that's why we couldn't play. The loss is on us. And honestly, I look forward to my next chance against that team.
So yeah....tell 'em to work on their game.
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I agree with most of what you had to say there, Snakester. I only asked because context means a little something. For instance, I've played in softball leagues/tournaments where teams that should've been playing 2-3 classifications higher played in a rec. scenario just so that they could beat the hell out of everyone. Then, they walked around like they were really something even though they should've been playing much higher competition. I've seen that kind of thing in league a few times here and there, a loaded team bowling with a bunch of rec. teams in a mixed league or something like that. Now, in and of itself, I don't have a problem even in that case unless they strut their stuff like they're big and bad because of it. To be clear, I'm not saying that's what Gid837's team is doing at all. I'm just saying that can change the thought process a bit.
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If you are bowling with the intentions of pleasing others by beating them, you are operating under false assumptions.
People will always find fault with either your bowling, or your equipment, whenever you bowl more than they think you should.
I've been throwing old urethane stuuf on the dryish house shot here, and several times other bowlers have complained about me f***ing up the shot on purpose. Thing is, right now I am high average in the league, yet they still want to claim I'm only doing it to screw them up.
Three weeks ago, I shot 745. After league was over, I was told that the other team wasn't happy about me intentionally messing up their shot. Thing is, They were inside the third arrow, and I was playing outside the second arrow, on the eighth board.
You'll never make them happy, and you'll never make them understand, so don't waste your time and breath. Just kick their a**es, add their names to the list, and move on.
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If you are bowling with the intentions of pleasing others by beating them, you are operating under false assumptions.
People will always find fault with either your bowling, or your equipment, whenever you bowl more than they think you should.
I've been throwing old urethane stuuf on the dryish house shot here, and several times other bowlers have complained about me f***ing up the shot on purpose. Thing is, right now I am high average in the league, yet they still want to claim I'm only doing it to screw them up.
Three weeks ago, I shot 745. After league was over, I was told that the other team wasn't happy about me intentionally messing up their shot. Thing is, They were inside the third arrow, and I was playing outside the second arrow, on the eighth board.
You'll never make them happy, and you'll never make them understand, so don't waste your time and breath. Just kick their a**es, add their names to the list, and move on.
If I had people being that ridiculous, I'd be half tempted to throw 180-grit balls through the heads where they were warming up just to tick them off! ;D
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If you are bowling with the intentions of pleasing others by beating them, you are operating under false assumptions.
People will always find fault with either your bowling, or your equipment, whenever you bowl more than they think you should.
I've been throwing old urethane stuuf on the dryish house shot here, and several times other bowlers have complained about me f***ing up the shot on purpose. Thing is, right now I am high average in the league, yet they still want to claim I'm only doing it to screw them up.
Three weeks ago, I shot 745. After league was over, I was told that the other team wasn't happy about me intentionally messing up their shot. Thing is, They were inside the third arrow, and I was playing outside the second arrow, on the eighth board.
You'll never make them happy, and you'll never make them understand, so don't waste your time and breath. Just kick their a**es, add their names to the list, and move on.
If I had people being that ridiculous, I'd be half tempted to throw 180-grit balls through the heads where they were warming up just to tick them off! ;D
Only HALF tempted? :P ;D
BL.
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Okay, fully tempted, but I'd probably avoid doing it just because bowling isn't worth fighting over.
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What happened to sportsmanship? We all have been there on both sides.
It amazes me that there are still bowlers out there that expect to have "their line" every week.
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I'm 56 years old, and been bowling for 40 of those years. I've learned to just ignore them and walk away.
Modern bowlers, most of them anyway, are just plain stupid. They don't practice, they don't study the game, they have no idea who the greats of old are, couldn't tell you how much a pin weighs, or probably three rules out of the handbook either.
Instead of arguing anymore, I just leave them to wallow in their ignorance. Last time I tried to help a guy, he ended up telling me I didn't know what I was talking about, and went to a paid coach instead. The paid coach told him the same things I did, so he quit taking lessons and said the coach was stupid too. The kid still averages about 170. ::)
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Good Information guys, well said.
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Gid837,
I wonder if their attitude would have been different had they bowled well enough to win. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say... YES!
They would have been singing as if they were the munchkins after the wicked witch was dead... There would have been autographs signed, and high five-ing all the way to their cars. Welcome to life among bowlers. ;)
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"he's on my line" is one of the phases that kills me lol.... SO WHAT?!!! I'm with Juggernaut, I too use urethane more than half the time, he strictly uses it. Since I've been doing well with it, I have that thought stuck in the far back of my mind waiting for someone to tell me I'm screwing up the shot. lol
Those that complain about your team play probably make excuses for their failures in life. the real bowlers try to figure things out and don't put blame on others or things. The pins don't move!! they just need to raise up their pants, tighten their belts, and shaking it side to side and bowl like Mr. Furley!!
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"he's on my line" is one of the phases that kills me lol.... SO WHAT?!!! I'm with Juggernaut, I too use urethane more than half the time, he strictly uses it. Since I've been doing well with it, I have that thought stuck in the far back of my mind waiting for someone to tell me I'm screwing up the shot. lol
Those that complain about your team play probably make excuses for their failures in life. the real bowlers try to figure things out and don't put blame on others or things. The pins don't move!! they just need to raise up their pants, tighten their belts, and shaking it side to side and bowl like Mr. Furley!!
Nailed it. Heck, if I knew that me bowling a particular way or with urethane would negatively affect the other team (either psychologically or actually affecting "their line"), I'd do it in a heartbeat (assuming it works for me). For us to win, they must lose. Why should it be incumbent upon me to make keep easy for them? And as an aside, I fully expect the other side to do it to me as well. If I can't adjust in order to succeed, shame on me.
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"he's on my line" is one of the phases that kills me lol.... SO WHAT?!!! I'm with Juggernaut, I too use urethane more than half the time, he strictly uses it. Since I've been doing well with it, I have that thought stuck in the far back of my mind waiting for someone to tell me I'm screwing up the shot. lol
Those that complain about your team play probably make excuses for their failures in life. the real bowlers try to figure things out and don't put blame on others or things. The pins don't move!! they just need to raise up their pants, tighten their belts, and shaking it side to side and bowl like Mr. Furley!!
Nailed it. Heck, if I knew that me bowling a particular way or with urethane would negatively affect the other team (either psychologically or actually affecting "their line"), I'd do it in a heartbeat (assuming it works for me). For us to win, they must lose. Why should it be incumbent upon me to make keep easy for them? And as an aside, I fully expect the other side to do it to me as well. If I can't adjust in order to succeed, shame on me.
What always amazes me in these situations is how little is at stake to begin with. In most leagues (there are exceptions), there isn't a ton on the line other than bragging rights. Sure, there are some big money leagues to be found here or there, but they seem to be fewer and fewer as the years move along. As such, why get so worked up? Yes, I like to bowl well, and I prefer winning to losing, but I don't go crazy about it when the prize at the end is miniscule. Now, if we were making our living out there, I could understand why there would be more angst.
It was the same way when I lived in TX and played tournament softball. Most of the time, the prize at the end of the tournament is a team trophy and a bunch of T-shirts. That's it, yet I can't even tell you how many times game action led to actual fistfights on the field. I could never understand it. We were all weekend warriors with real lives and jobs, not people using softball to pay the bills; nevertheless, some people were willing to lie, cheat, steal, and assault others in the name of the game.
I guess it just shows how stupid a lot of people are. It's sad, but it's not like it's a new concept.
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Stupid is as stupid does! You just smile and ignore the stupid people. Unfortunately, there are many of them out here. I subbed in a league last night and the five man team I was bowling against, put up 1244! They had similar averages to your team. I was on a 5 bagger when my ball just stopped rolling and I got "the big four" in the ninth! It dawned on me, that three of their bowlers were on that same line, plus two on my team.
I moved!! Jumped 5 boards inside of that line and continued closing frames. Not once did I consider telling them, they messed up the game for me, and didn't make it fun!! How crazy is that? It's called adjustment!.....and focus.....and paying attention.
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In a past league there was a team that would forfeit rather than bowl my team. while yes, my team had 4 of the 5 high averages in the league, myself and one other were tweener/cranker in a house otherwise filled with more classic stroker styles.
so, I would play this shot 16 or 17 board at the arrows, swing to 6 at the break and my teammate was 20/21 to 5 or 6. It just psyched out the other team that their up the 10 board line crossed our lines twice. these guys (170 or so average bowlers, capable of a 220+ game) would get so pissed off. anyways, the last 2 years I was in that league they forfeited every time they bowled us and took the night off.
its amazing how in a "fun" relatively low $$ handicap/house shot league some can act certain ways. this was in 2009/2010 and we paid $11 a night to bowl. there was maybe $250 prize for first place team! high individual game and series paid $20 at the end of year, and people are still acting like they were cheated out of millions.
you just have learn to live with/ignore it.
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Funny thing is, I'm in a mostly for fun handicap league and I keep running into all the low average bowlers playing up the boards ruining my shot. Last night I was throwing my lightest oil ball and it started double checking, I would hit where they burned out at about 30ft and it would eat up all my power. I ended up grabbing a Cell Pearl and moving 11 boards left to get clear of them. My ultimate thought is, handicap is there to make it fair, all you can do is try to throw the best you can and let the rest take care of itself. Sounds like some good shooting, well done.
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Don't you guys know that moving your feet is illegal? Where's my rule book??