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LuckyLefty

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Heavy OIL "Secret", also titled follow me around you'll find it!
« on: February 23, 2004, 11:10:47 AM »
Ric Clint and I have been messaging each other a lot about heavy oil balls lately.

I realized I had some definite thoughts on what constitutes heavy oil play and thought I'd just lay out a little bit of it here.

Oh, how do I find it!!  Well it's easy.  As I don't have any honor scores all I do is I ask my friends hey any nice shots around here where they are puttin out nice league type conditions for tournaments and lefties are scoring well?

They say, "Oh yeah, over at overthere lanes about 30 minutes from here they've got a real nice shot".  Now I get in the car and hope over to "overthere lanes"
and I say hey can I bowl they say SURE!, "By the way, just so you know last week a lefty shot 801 here in our tourney, and so well, we thought we'd make it
INTERESTING this week so we've put out a pretty long sport shot, I think you'll find it FUN and INTERESTING".

Well if I've heard this once in three years I've heard it 30 times.

So fun and interesting usually means a sloppy wet, that ball ain't gonna hook no way at the back, anyway if you can hook it 3 boards you just might win this thing!

Anyway, 600s are rare in these tournaments and often a 640 or 650 wins em, I haven't won many of them but I sure have shot a ton of 610 and 620s.

Here's the idea and I must say that the writings of Bob Hanson have helped me play this shot!!!

FIRST determine if the "Heavy oil shot"  is a league heavy oil= lots of oil in middle and dry outside of ???(5, 8, 10) or is "Sport heavy oil" = no real dry side to side only dry at the end of the pattern(43, 45, or 50).  Easy throw a ball out to 3 at the breakpoint, you'll know!

So the strategy for the league shot is so easy, grab your favorite near stacked heavy oiler, (cg down a little is nice too) and get inside the oil pattern and swing out to the dry and watch em fly!!!  Enough about that.  Grab any Reactin Roll, Silver Streak Particle, Fuze Detonator, Throttle, Fear Factor, Vortex Particle and let er rip!

Enough about that!!

Now for example this weeks "Interesting and FUN shot" =reads 45 foot flat.

"DETERMINE Whether you need a ball that provides backend or doesn't.  In other words is the pattern buffed at the end of the oil and smooth or does the ball jump when it reaches the end of the pattern!  Either way grab your ball that has the appropriate backend,  if you need big backend grab it.  If you need smooth backend grab it.  It doesn't matter if it is particle, reactive solid or even reactive pearl!!!  Grab the right backend.

This weeks shot, I knew right away the ball was NOT jumpin and I needed backend.  I grabbed my battle zone bullet(pearl), Spell(light load particle), and Reaction Rip (pearl).  Move your feet as far to the right(for righties, or left for lefties) as you are comfortable, move up on the approach about 18 inches, lower ball in stance(I go from chest down to below waist(about mid thigh).  Now take baby steps smoothly accelerate, look at the dots or closer not arrows and throw soft hand, firm fingers pointing slightly at the pocket.  This week I threw 8 to about 10 11 at the break point generating only about 3 to 4 boards of total hook!  

First game 247, next highest game in squad was I think 193!!!  Yahoo. All around me players are using their Mayhems,Phenoms, Throttle and throwing some very "Fun and Interesting 150s, 140s and 160s.  Now I get excited and drift back on lane close to normal starting position and go to hell.  Still end up 4th.  In general this is what I see in nearly every tournament I bowl in, No honor scores here!

The most interesting thing is I usually find that my same heavy oil monsters, low rg, heavy particle load don't work on this shot!!!  The only reason I can really give is that they sort of because of heavy particle load and low rg want to sort of hook in the heads and midlane forcing one to NOT Point but to have to swing, and then because of the pattern they can't recover(nothing can recover).

Instead the focus on this flat shot is Picking the right backend, and being able to point.  Lighter load particles(like the spell), Solid polished reactives, and even pearls have worked great for me as I throw about 12 mph on these patterns!  In fact my highest score on these soaked patterns is a 68X shot with a Battle Zone Bullet!  All around me bowlers were trying to make it with heavy load particles.  I've also shot a ton of 640 on this pattern with a Polished Demolition Zone!  Note now things are different for Lefties and Righties on this pattern as the 2nd and 3rd game occur, righty gets a little trough and the lefty gets to continue to enjoy "Fun and interesting", with maybe a one board move!

I've noted our esteemed colleague Bob Hanson talking about playing with polished reactives on these patterns too!

Hope this helps!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS note if you try to swing it, you just won't be able to bring it on "fun and interesting"  Feet on the point side of 20!
PPS my partner a strong handed 220 average bowler shot the 2nd high score of the tourney in the last game throwing a Command Zone Plum pearl at about 12 mph = 215.  This shot really is "FUN and Interesting" NOT!

Edited on 2/24/2004 3:41 AM
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Re: Heavy OIL "Secret", also titled follow me around you'll find it!
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2004, 03:34:29 AM »
LuckyLefty,
Thats some excellent advice there! Especially the part on using SHINY reactives or mild particle balls. I had the same success bowling on flooded patterns with such equipment...and yeah, it may not make sense, but then alot of things in bowling don't make sense anyway

To me (a rev-challenged rightie), I find that the best line to play when the lanes are oily (41ft and beyond) is to stand at the extreme right of the approach. Walk straight towards the right gutter and try to 'imagine' landing the ball right next to the gutter and point the shot towards the 6-pin. A diagonal shot like this enables you to 'double' your hook potential ~ a ball thats travels parallel to the gutter and hooks 3 boards would give about 6 boards of hook if thrown diagonally...and this is usually more than enough hook for such conditions to give you some nice pin-carry on LIGHT hits. This kind of shot also naturally gives you extraentry angle, enabling you to kick out the 10-pin surprisingly often.
I call this kind of shot the DUUUUKE line...for obvious reasons

Personal experience has also taught me that on the right conditions (such as a long christmas-tree type pattern that has oil tapered towards the center) such a shot can give you an ungodly amount of area, enabling you to get away with shots that are pulled both left or right.

One BIG problem I have though is when the line dries up...where I tend to face difficulty finding another line of attack. Can anyone help?


Edited on 2/24/2004 4:32 AM

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Re: Heavy OIL "Secret", also titled follow me around you'll find it!
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2004, 05:04:27 AM »
Okay Guys,

Here's how it can hopefully make some sense, I compare resin balls equivalent to all season tires and heavier particle to snow tires.  Scenario, we're going around a bend at 65mph and the (all season)tires are turned to take the corner, all of sudden we hit 10ft of lite snow, what happens, we lose friction, tires spin up and we slide for a few seconds, but once we hit dry road again, the (all season)tires instantly grab and jump causing the car to even fishtail a bit, correct?

Now, same scenario with snow tires on the car, going around this bend, what happens?  The snow tires just gradually eat thru the light snow, we never lose friction/traction and the car makes the turn evenly and smoothly as if the snow wasn't even there.

This is exactly what we see with heavier particle to resin on a dry backend.  A heavier particle load tries to grab constantly and track so hard that there is little to no transition from oil to dry vs the resin which has been sliding, revving up, storing energy and jumps once it finds dry.  Heavier particle balls are designed to create higher friction and traction but we've all seen the heavier oil condition that LL mentions that no particle ball can recover from unless we have Robert Smith type revs.

As I've tried to explain this to my customers and students for so long, particle means more friction not automatically more hook.  Thanks LL..great post.
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Re: Heavy OIL "Secret", also titled follow me around you'll find it!
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2004, 11:35:11 AM »
I had the same experience in a tournament that Bullred mentioned. I bowled on 50 feet of oil and the outsides are really wet. Pointing the ball from the corner will drown you in washouts, the ball will just not get into enough roll to hit the pocket. I used a V2 sanded to 320 and played the middle and it worked somewhat. I have to hit the 20-22 board target with slow speed.I have no room to miss.

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Re: Heavy OIL "Secret", also titled follow me around you'll find it!
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2004, 11:44:46 AM »
This topic reminds me of playing the old heavy oil shot on lacquer finished lanes with a rubber ball.  The best way I ever found to play that shot was to move in around the 17 or 18 board and just line the ball into the pocket.  If there's any dry area at all in the back, you can get enough drive to carry.  But you have to be accurate, this is a one board shot.  If there's no dry on the back end, then you have to move out to the corner and point the ball, and pray.  I think the reason the aggressive particle balls don't work is that they rely on some dry area on the right side of the lane (left for LL) to make their move.  If it's not there, they just skid and never move at all.  By the way, I've never seen a lefty play that deep inside shot, even on TV.  I think they are just ingrained to play 10 board and out.  --  JohnP

Edited on 2/24/2004 12:40 PM

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Re: Heavy OIL "Secret", also titled follow me around you'll find it!
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2004, 11:46:16 AM »
Here's what I find happening on long flat shots:
1. If I play up 15 or so, the ball only has to move a couple of boards in that last 10 feet. That's not asking a lot. But here I'm talking about a STRAIGHT UP 15 shot. That's a shot that a lot of people won't play.

2. If I try to get the ball to finish from outside 10 or 12, there is too much of a path of carrydown to the pocket. I'll throw a couple of GREAT shots, get great ball reaction. Throw the next shot exactly the same, and have it fade, because I'm playing in my own heavy carrydown.

Soooo- given a heavy flat long oil shot, I'll be inside.

BTW - I learned this a year ago from Robert Smith. A pro am in Tacoma mistakenly forgot to strip between squads, and I got the double oil squad. I was trying to play off the corner, with limited success, and more light 7s than I've ever left. Duke came to our pair, and was trying his trademark shot (same thing I was trying), and had limited success. Robert Smith hit our pair, and played straight up 15. He had a good reaction. I tried it, and liked what I saw a whole lot better than what I had. We were both using mid-line pearl reactives.
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Re: Heavy OIL "Secret", also titled follow me around you'll find it!
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2004, 02:55:49 PM »
I don't know if what I was referring to would be from the corner, but it is definitely a point.

One definite difference and I mentioned this was that the righties, DEFINITELY by game 2 were starting to plow a tiny furrow in the oil pattern in the 12 board area at the arrows and it was starting to widen in the 11 board area at 45 feet!  There was no such furrow on the left nor would it develop until just about when a 9 game set would be over.

I do believe that all initially flat shots favor righties in the way they break down, but I've enjoyed many a time being the 2nd highest lefty, especially when some pro tourists come to our tourneys!

I also believe in the short 3 game format that I played that there is no reason for me not to win!!!  Why, because I understand the shot, and see it more than most, two know how to quickly find a ball that will carry, and 3 can be accurate throwing very slowly as long as I remember to keep my aprroach shorter which maintains the timing of a shorter, slower back and threw swing.

Ooops, forgot 3 the other day!!!  Next time!

REgards,

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Re: Heavy OIL "Secret", also titled follow me around you'll find it!
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2004, 09:17:43 PM »
The most interesting thing is I usually find that my same heavy oil monsters, low rg, heavy particle load don't work on this shot!!! The only reason I can really give is that they sort of because of heavy particle load and low rg want to sort of hook in the heads and midlane forcing one to NOT Point but to have to swing, and then because of the pattern they can't recover(nothing can recover).

LL, Bob H., Mumzie, interesting observation there, have been having the same problem, the lower rg balls really needs to be swung, but usually can't recover.  I will try using stronger pearls and see what happens.  Should I drill for earlier roll?  wouldn't this cause the ball to jump when it hits the dry?   Mumzie, I have also experienced pointing it from the corners but after a few frames, do experience a "fade".  Going up 15th, I've aslo tried, but also get a fade in about 6-7 frames.. any suggestions?

great thread LL.
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Re: Heavy OIL "Secret", also titled follow me around you'll find it!
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2004, 10:11:47 AM »
I actually find the opposite ambi.

Regarding jumping at the back.

If the pattern has no dry on the side or in the middle only at the end.
It really depends if the pattern is buffed or not.  One will not know until they throw.  If the ball jumps upon hitting the end of the pattern I actually find cg out balls with weightholes on Pap work fine.  Often a Crimson Red Sledgehammer worked quite well on a jumpy pattern.

If the ball does not jump then I tend to use something that will attack at the end of the pattern.  Success for me has been had with a stacked Pro Zone Violet, a slight kick out Track Spell, and a slightly labeled Demolition Zone, and a slight kick out Battle Zone Bullet!  Note no super low rg and no high load particles!!!  But the core is set up to move at end of pattern pretty hard in these cases.

Again for a flat pattern I think, determine whether you need smooth backend or hard backend.  Grab the set of balls that provide that and see which one will work!!
The answer I have found is unpredictable! But if you match the backend and do the technique right one will work!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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