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I_Bowl4Money

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LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« on: March 31, 2010, 02:58:53 AM »
Everyone,

I am doing a study about league bowling and the cost breakdown of league dues.  Please post your league information in the format shown below (if you can do a similar breakdown for a couple years back that would be great, otherwise current information will suffice).

If you can't do a break down, just having your comments would be helpful too:

Bowl America Dranesville - Sterling, VA
Tuesday Boys Night Out League @ 6:30pm


2006-07: (18 Teams x 4 bowlers)
- Weekly Dues = $21.00 per bowler
  o Lineage = $11.80 (3.93 per game = $29,736/season)
  o Sec. Fee = $0.50

  o Prize Fund = $8.70
- League Prize Fund Total = $21,924

2007-08: (21 Teams x 4 bowlers)
- Weekly Dues = $23.00 per bowler
  o Lineage = $11.95 (3.98 per game = $35,133/season)
  o Sec. Fee = $0.50

  o Prize Fund = $10.55
- League Prize Fund Total = $31,017

2008-09: (21 Teams x 4 bowlers)
- Weekly Dues = $25.00 per bowler
  o Lineage = $12.10 (4.03 per game = $35,574/season/)
  o Sec. Fee = $0.50

  o Slush = $0.25 (returned to prize)
  o Prize Fund = $12.15
- League Prize Fund Total w/slush = $36,456

2009-10: (24 Teams x 4 bowlers)
- Weekly Dues = $25.00 per bowler
  o Lineage = $12.45 (4.15 per game = $41,832/season)
  o Sec. Fee = $0.50

  o Slush = $0.25 (returned to prize)
  o Prize Fund = $11.80
- League Prize Fund Total w/slush = $40,488

Projection 2010-11: (24 Teams x 4 bowlers)
- Weekly Dues = $25.00 per bowler
  o Lineage = $12.70 (4.23 per game = $42,672/season)
  o Sec. Fee = $0.50

  o Slush = $0.25 (returned to prize)
  o Prize Fund = $11.55
- League Prize Fund Total w/slush = $39,684
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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 11:11:40 AM »
IMHO,

Based on 2009-10 numbers and elected prize fund:
http://www.bowl4money.com/bno%20league/BNO2009-2010/2009-2010%20Prize%20Fund.pdf

The lineage is outrageous, does anyone agree?
To bowl in the league is $875/season.
To earn your money back you must finish 4th or better.
To earn 1/2 your money back you must finish 7th or better.
To earn 1/3 your money back you must finish 10th or better.

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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 11:20:37 AM »
Secretary Fee is .50 per bowler. That seems high.
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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 11:29:41 AM »
Many years ago when I did it by hand, it was a lot of work that took a lot of time (20 5 man teams).  Now, everyne uses a computer and the in less than 1/2 hour, you can enter the scores and print out the recap sheets for the following week along with all honor scores and standing sheets.  The only additonal cost is for the recap sheets.  To me $0.35 to $0.40 is probably fair nd thats for doing both secretary and treasurer work.

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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 11:35:17 AM »
Here is the basic breakdown of my main league (I've been the treasurer for the past 3 seasons, so this information was easy to come by):

2007-08: (28 Teams x 4 bowlers)
- Weekly Dues = $25.00 per bowler
o Lineage = $10.75 ($40570.50/season – 35 weeks of which the last week is free)
o Sec. Fee = $0.40 & Tres. Fee = $0.40
- League Prize Fund Total = $53917.25

2008-09: (25 Teams x 4 bowlers)
- Weekly Dues = $25.00 per bowler
o Lineage = $11.00 ($437400.00/season – 35 weeks of which the last week is free)
o Sec. Fee = $0.40 & Tres. Fee = $0.40
- League Prize Fund Total = $47300.00

2009-10: (24 Teams x 4 bowlers)
- Weekly Dues = $25.00 per bowler
o Lineage = $11.15 ($36393.60/season – 35 weeks of which the last week is free)
o Sec. Fee = $0.40 & Tres. Fee = $0.40
- League Prize Fund Total = $44918.40

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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 11:39:51 AM »
Just to play devil's advocate:  When we play fantasy baseball, or fantasy football or etc., when we don't finish in the top 4 or 5, we get NOTHING.   And we always go back!   I don't understand how people who finish near the bottom of a league want half their money back.   I don't bowl to win money.  I bowl to bowl, if I win great, if I finish out of top 5-6, I lost.
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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 12:11:10 PM »
I play on an Air Force base, which compared to what you all are paying, I think I will continue to!

Weekly fee: $10
Lineage: $7
Prize fund: $3
Roughly 7600 total prize fund at end of year.

I dont have exact total figures, but its more of just a fun handicap league.  I know there's  a Sec. fee, but I dont remember how they get paid in our league.  Last year our lineage was $8 dollars but the new manager dropped it a buck for us!  

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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 12:40:04 PM »
quote:
I play on an Air Force base, which compared to what you all are paying, I think I will continue to!
Weekly fee: $10
Lineage: $7
Prize fund: $3
Roughly 7600 total prize fund at end of year.
I dont have exact total figures, but its more of just a fun handicap league.  I know there's  a Sec. fee, but I dont remember how they get paid in our league.  Last year our lineage was $8 dollars but the new manager dropped it a buck for us!  


I don't understand why more houses won't drop it a little to save the leagues.

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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 12:42:42 PM »
As a league secretary, I have found that anyone who thinks .50 is too high has never been a league secretary.
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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 12:48:28 PM »
Seems weird to me that it goes up every year.

Did you guys sign a contract that allows for increase or is it a year to year?

The reason I ask is you are increasing consistantly.
15 cents and 25 cents.

At our house we have contracts with sanctioned leagues that last 3 years and they lock in the lineage for a set amount.

We are based in Connecticut so it might be a little different than in Virginia.

$12.70 is a little high. We get around $12 per bowler for our Tuesday night sanctioned league.


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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 01:00:02 PM »
Steve .. FOR DISCUSSION! Yes I do think the lineage fee you are paying in that league is CRAZY! BUT .. tell me why the first place team has to get 2x their cost as prize fund? If you cut 1st to $1000 per man they earn a little over a hundred per man .. BOWL FREE AND EARN A HUNDRED .. are they making a living on this? It is a LEAGUE! Cutting the 1st 4 places will provide more for other finishes!
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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 01:16:43 PM »
bowl400, I was a league secretary/Treasurer for over 12 years roughly 25 years ago.  I got about $.15 to $.20 per bowler. It was for a 20 5man team league.  I did it with a pencil and a typwriter and it took me almost 4 - 5 nights to complete all the work.  If you could remember that far back, ABC gave you a binder and you had one sheet for the team and one sheet for each bowler on the team and subs, plus you had separate sheets for honor scores.  Then you had to figure out the teams win/loss and do the standings plus high team and individual scores and then type up the weekly standing sheet with all this information. The last 2 years I purchased a program for my computer.  Less than 1 hour, I had everything done and ready for the following week. Yes, I know it takes a little longer to set the league up on your computer for the upcoming year, but how much time to you think it took me to do the same think with a pencil ?

In my opinion, NO league secretary/treasurer is worth $.50 per bowler.  I was there and I did it.

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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 01:23:16 PM »
quote:
as a league secretary, I have found that anyone who thinks .50 is too high has never been a league secretary.


I am a league secretary. I get .20 per bowler. Just enough to cover my costs. It could be a little higher, maybe up to .30, but .50 is way too much.



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Re: LEAGUE DUES DISCUSSION -- PLEASE READ/RESPOND!
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 01:32:32 PM »
Stan, 100 bowlers @ .15 = $15 per week.  What was your weekly league fee 25 years ago?  Weekly paperwork, collecting league fees from bowlers who don''t want to pay, listening to complaints from everyone about everything, dealing with an uncooperative association, setting up the prize fund, setting up the sweeper payout, running weekly brackets (all money returned to bowlers), and many more items that i perform each week for two leagues (lineage $14 and $19).  The $14 league, i get .25 (48 bowlers), the $19 league i get .50 (28 bowlers). It basically allows me to bowl more or less for free.  It is not like I am going to retire on this income.  I also pay an annual $30 maintenance fee to the vendor of the league software that I use.
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2010, 01:38:31 PM »
2009-10: (24 Teams x 5 bowlers)
- Weekly Dues = $20.00 per bowler
o Lineage = $11.95 (= $50,190/season)
o Sec. Fee = $0.60
o Slush = $0.70 (returned as weekly prizes)
o Prize Fund = $6.75
- League Prize Fund Total = $29,000

add in "special" tickets, but I'm not sure where that money goes, I'm guessing it's divided evenly between the teams at the end of the season.