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dR3w

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League Pattern
« on: August 27, 2008, 04:18:14 AM »
How would you feel/react if you show up for the first night of league, and hear rumors that the house is putting down a usbc open pattern?  Only to find out it appears they have when you bowl on it.  Now this league is a normal mens' league.  One of the better leagues in the city, but the owner hasn't mentioned this to anyone.  No warning, advertisment or anything, just heresay.  The doubles pot was won with a 427 ... with handicap.  Typically it was between 490-550.  It would have been nice if someone had let us know ahead of time, don't you think?
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 12:33:45 PM »
I would be quite upset by this.  If they purposly are putting out that pattern and the league has agreed to be a sport sanctioned league then that is one thing.  If you are not interested in bowling on that then the league needs to get the center to change the shot or find a center to bowl in.
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 12:40:25 PM »
There are only 2 centers in town.  The other one is an AMF.  I am trying to look at it as a challenge, but it is a little frustrating.  I think what bothers me the most is the lack of information coming from management.  They have a Kegel machine, so they can pretty much put down any shot they want, but it would be nice to know ahead of time.
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 12:44:22 PM »
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Just curious.  What would you have done if you had known in advance?


Not a whole lot actually.  But I would have brought different equipment, and definitely started out in a different area of the lane, where I ended up on.  It would have definitely been a definite mindset difference. The shot at this house is usually a little more challenging, so it wasn't immediately obvious as to whether people were just BS-ing or if the shot was really a tough shot on purpose.


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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 12:44:57 PM »
That's nothing short of frustrating.  I had a somewhat similar situation in my PBAx league this Summer, where they said one thing and it was another (thought it was Viper, turned out to be Shark).  I definitely agree management should ANNOUNCE this.  It's a fun league, not one of the most competitive things on earth.  Those patterns are reserved for one event a year for a reason.
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 01:08:08 PM »
It's absolutely amazing that we bitca and moan about how easy shots are but then complain when the house puts down a challenging but fair pattern (fair in that no style is shut out, which is what the USBC Open attempts to do).

I would have a real problem with a house doing that but for a different reason.  We all (mostly) agree that our normal average is on some kind of house shot, not on a sport shot.  If you are bowling on a sport-compliant shot, your average needs to be designated as such so that adjustments can be made for tournament competition.  No, not all house shots are the same, and it's a major problem comparing averages from different houses, but to throw a non-declared sport shot into the mix only muddies the waters even further.

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2008, 01:10:45 PM »
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It's absolutely amazing that we bitca and moan about how easy shots are but then complain when the house puts down a challenging but fair pattern (fair in that no style is shut out, which is what the USBC Open attempts to do).

I would have a real problem with a house doing that but for a different reason.  We all (mostly) agree that our normal average is on some kind of house shot, not on a sport shot.  If you are bowling on a sport-compliant shot, your average needs to be designated as such so that adjustments can be made for tournament competition.  No, not all house shots are the same, and it's a major problem comparing averages from different houses, but to throw a non-declared sport shot into the mix only muddies the waters even further.

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 01:29:48 PM »
maybe its just me but  all the good bowler I know can adjust and it definitely doesn't take 2 games to do it. also and I think to know the shot ahead of time is almost ridiculous. I've bowled on sport leagues where we knew nothing of the shot until we bowled on it.
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2008, 01:31:31 PM »
I second C Guidry's comment.
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008, 01:42:06 PM »
If your league is using the USBC pattern and you are not sport sanctioned, then you need to be reported so that your averages can be adjusted to reflect this. If no one does this, then all of you are cheating and should be suspended from USBC.

This is why I don't bowl any handicap tourneys anymore, because stuff like this happens.
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 01:45:54 PM »
Sack up and deal with it! Most of the PBA/Sport shots that I've shot on are better than most of the so called house shots I've seen lately!
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 01:49:02 PM »
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 03:33:16 PM »
Last time I checked, the US Open shot is a USBC legal shot.  A bowling center can put out any USBC legal shot it wishes.  If this center did in fact put out the US Open shot, it doesn't have to apply for Sport Shot compliance.  Yes, the averages will change and there may be some groaning from the peanut gallery when tournaments come about and some are using a "sport" average from a non sport league.  All in all, as long as the shot is consistent lane-to-lane, week-to-week, then you really have nothing to complain about.
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 04:19:02 PM »
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Last time I checked, the US Open shot is a USBC legal shot.  A bowling center can put out any USBC legal shot it wishes.  If this center did in fact put out the US Open shot, it doesn't have to apply for Sport Shot compliance.  Yes, the averages will change and there may be some groaning from the peanut gallery when tournaments come about and some are using a "sport" average from a non sport league.  All in all, as long as the shot is consistent lane-to-lane, week-to-week, then you really have nothing to complain about.
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No, if the shot is sport compliant and is not certified, then those averages are false and give an advantage to the people who bowl in them. Some bowlers have been disqualified from the classified division of the USBC tourney for not reporting an average bowled on sport conditions.
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 04:34:13 PM »
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Last time I checked, the US Open shot is a USBC legal shot.  A bowling center can put out any USBC legal shot it wishes.  If this center did in fact put out the US Open shot, it doesn't have to apply for Sport Shot compliance.  Yes, the averages will change and there may be some groaning from the peanut gallery when tournaments come about and some are using a "sport" average from a non sport league.  All in all, as long as the shot is consistent lane-to-lane, week-to-week, then you really have nothing to complain about.
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No, if the shot is sport compliant and is not certified, then those averages are false and give an advantage to the people who bowl in them. Some bowlers have been disqualified from the classified division of the USBC tourney for not reporting an average bowled on sport conditions.
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Hypothetically speaking, I own a bowling center.  The only thing I have to abide by is the USBC rule of how much oil needs to be on the lane on any given board.  There is nothing that dictates what "shape" or "length" my shot has to be.  If I want to put out a flat pattern as my "league" pattern, it is my prerogative.  How would anyone know if it is a "sport shot" unless I get it verified as to being a sport shot.  That would cost extra money and numerous visits by USBC to make sure I am continually putting out a sport shot.  When the lane inspection team comes to my center at the beginning of the bowling season, they only look to make sure I am compliant with the USBC rule, not if it is a sport shot.  So to those bowlers who bowl my league, congratulations.  It is no different than bowling at a "dungeon".
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