mrfrostee,

 The saying that “Anything is possible” also means that many things are possible, and in the case of why she started leaving tenpins, there are quite a few suspects.

 Bottom line is, her OVERALL ball reaction changed. The problem comes in trying to diagnose why.

 Is it possible he pushed some oil out into her line? Sure, but depending on the conditions and the equipment used, it is also possible he helped dry out a spot that caused her ball to lose its energy a bit earlier, which changed her entry angle and finish.

 Or, maybe they both ended up pushing a bit of carry down into the breakpoint, and her straighter trajectory was affected more by that than his because of the entry angle into the pocket.

 Lots more can cause you to start pinging tens than just these things. Unfortunately, the answers are just as myriad as the reasons for leaving them.

 Sometimes the right ball change works. Sometimes it’s a release change, or a speed change, or any other of a thousand minor changes.

 If I could capture, and bottle, the solution to tenpins, I would’ve been rich a long time ago.

heads always break down first on any pattern.  When this happens a straight player may still get to the pocket, but more energy is burned off early causing 10 pins.  Carrydown can cause 10s, but it would normally be noticeable much quicker. 

avabob- what would be the adjustment for this?

I'm not Avabob, but I was taught 4 adjustments if you are leaving 10 pins: move your feet forward or back a few inches or move a half board left or right.  If none of those work that leaves 2 options:  ball change or suck it up and come back next week because tonight is not your night.

If you move right for leaving 10 pins in the 3rd game you are going to big 4.  The move is a couple left.

Not trying to get into a measurement contest of some type, but there is no one move to carry a 10 pin.  Everyone will have a different adjustment when they are leaving 10 pins because everyone's game and how they are leaving the 10 pin is different.  If I followed your suggested move, I would be dealing with washouts and not a lone 10 pin.

Quote from: itsallaboutme on November 22, 2017, 09:13:39 AM

If you move right for leaving 10 pins in the 3rd game you are going to big 4.  The move is a couple left.

Not trying to get into a measurement contest of some type, but there is no one move to carry a 10 pin.  Everyone will have a different adjustment when they are leaving 10 pins because everyone's game and how they are leaving the 10 pin is different.  If I followed your suggested move, I would be dealing with washouts and not a lone 10 pin.

+1. I feel that there are a few different ways to adjust to carry the 10 pin. The key is to find what works for you at that moment, and it may vary. One house you may adjust differently than a different house.

mrfrostee,
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 Is it possible he pushed some oil out into her line? Sure, but depending on the conditions and the equipment used, it is also possible he helped dry out a spot that caused her ball to lose its energy a bit earlier, which changed her entry angle and finish.

But if her midlane area had gotten drier, and caused the ball to burn off energy, she'd be leaving weak 10 pins, not ringing 10 pins.

Or, maybe they both ended up pushing a bit of carry down into the breakpoint, and her straighter trajectory was affected more by that than his because of the entry angle into the pocket.

If she started adjusting by moving deeper into the oil, she could be catching too much oil for the ball she was using. That could cause her ball to finish late and leave ringing 10 pins, too.

Next time we will watch to see how the ball is leaving the pin deck. I think in the heat of the moment we forgot to do that. As a side note, the young man she was bowling with did not leave any 10 pins the third game.