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squirrelywrath1

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Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« on: September 10, 2017, 12:43:47 AM »
Fast forward to about 3:15 or so.  Both guys actually lofting over the gutter.

I think Wesley was throwing only a 14 lb. ball by the sound of it.  Still he's able to get that thing driving through the pins pretty hard.  Fun to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ajvjMi8Sk
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2017, 02:23:04 PM »
Quote from: Juggernaut on September 10, 2017, 12:47:06 PM
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on September 10, 2017, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Juggernaut on September 10, 2017, 10:46:55 AM
NOT bowling

What delivery is required for it to be defined as bowling?

As a traditional style bowler, I wonder what it is that separates myself from these guys. 

 No specific delivery required.

 It isn't anything to do with either of their deliveries.

 It isn't what they did, it's that they had to do it.

Like it or not, it's the modern game. Hell, I've done it on a reverse block and I wouldn't exactly say I have a lot of hand.

The game is no longer keep the ball right of 15 anymore. We can blame the patterns, or manufacturer game of putting out balls that chew up a pattern, shimwreckers, or whatever. This game couldn't be conceived of 35 years ago, but here we are.

It's bowling today.
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2017, 03:33:36 PM »
Well the modern game has very few bowlers in it, and the future game has even less lol. 

What I'm getting at is new up and coming bowlers could care less about accuracy, it's all about how hard and how fast.  U all must not bowl leagues.....

Not saying the the crusty old get off my lawn guys are right either....

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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2017, 03:45:58 PM »
Bill, I'll go with your definition. Heave it out and no skill for accuracy, spray and pray, that's a different game. North can't comprehend that, but you've put it well. I think that defines the change.
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2017, 04:04:33 PM »
I commend the righty in the vid. Without watching my money would be on him he looks to be someone who can play all parts of the lane and look good doing it!!! Very Francois Lavois like. 
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2017, 04:12:33 PM »
Quote from: lefty50 on September 10, 2017, 03:45:58 PM
Bill, I'll go with your definition. Heave it out and no skill for accuracy, spray and pray, that's a different game. North can't comprehend that, but you've put it well. I think that defines the change.


You're a fucking donkey. It's not "spray and pray" you can't just loft caps recklessly AND get the ball to continue and strike. You have to have some semblance of accuracy. The same people saying what you're saying now claimed Belmonte wasn't accurate......multiple Us open titles and massive amounts of data from CATS provided his accuracy and launch angles were the best on tour...........better than all the fan favorite "straight players" riddle me that.
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2017, 04:26:28 PM »
Wesley Low is a very very good young player. He's going to kill them if he goes on tour.

As for the accuracy part, lofting it 15 feet with the ball coming down on 7th arrow without hitting the crap out of it and maintaining any decent ball roll is a skill itself. Heck, the right WITH the thumb in was deeper than the two hander! He was just cutting the heads more.

Is Mika not bowling because he can get it past the heads with loft?

This discussion is stupid. Are house shots bowling even though it's the Ray Charles open? Hit 5, strike. Hit 10, strike. Hit 15, strike.

Even Dick Weber never said "This isn't bowling." It's the evolution of the game that all.of us have created. We changed it with our wallets. Would we be having this discussion if resin had flopped and we were still just using urethane?
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2017, 04:28:07 PM »
Quote from: billdozer on September 10, 2017, 01:49:33 PM
Can't say that i totally disagree with juggs. 

It definitely was not Wesley's best performance....I feel he was mimicking the righty.

The righty looked like a normal bowler just playing what the lanes gave him, he was smooth, controlled, focused.

Low was all over the place...and not playing his A game. 

Didn't care to see who won....

And I also don't enjoy watching any lofting of the gutter cap, whether its maximum Bob or Belmonte...just not "bowling" to me either.  It's the trend, so the sheep will follow lol.  Sorry guys, and I'm the least bit traditional or conservative....



This is so full of holes I'm not sure where to begin. It's the trend for high level bowling........no one in this thread is on that level. Most of us, are like that righty, every once in awhile we will strike from way in (6th arrow) more often than not the ball will quit and go forward just the righty did quite a few times.

Which explains why some people in this very thread are looking for the ball that lets them stay in the track and to the right of it......because.......you know....... "that's bowling".
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2017, 04:35:31 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 10, 2017, 04:26:28 PM
Wesley Low is a very very good young player. He's going to kill them if he goes on tour.

As for the accuracy part, lofting it 15 feet with the ball coming down on 7th arrow without hitting the crap out of it and maintaining any decent ball roll is a skill itself. Heck, the right WITH the thumb in was deeper than the two hander! He was just cutting the heads more.

Is Mika not bowling because he can get it past the heads with loft?

This discussion is stupid. Are house shots bowling even though it's the Ray Charles open? Hit 5, strike. Hit 10, strike. Hit 15, strike.

Even Dick Weber never said "This isn't bowling." It's the evolution of the game that all.of us have created. We changed it with our wallets. Would we be having this discussion if resin had flopped and we were still just using urethane?

Low is just some punk kid lofting gutter caps........apparently they let anyone on team USA and into Wichita st who can't "bowl".........
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2017, 05:46:16 PM »
Regardless of what it is bowling or not if it was my center you would be out on your ass.The lofting crap just damages already worn out topography.Our centers here have old synthetics that are gone.One center is 24 year old synthetics and probably wont ever be replaced.Loft a ball past the arrows and they get very upset and will make you stop if you want to continue bowling.
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2017, 06:24:12 PM »
Quote from: BowlingforSoup on September 10, 2017, 05:46:16 PM
Regardless of what it is bowling or not if it was my center you would be out on your ass.The lofting crap just damages already worn out topography.Our centers here have old synthetics that are gone.One center is 24 year old synthetics and probably wont ever be replaced.Loft a ball past the arrows and they get very upset and will make you stop if you want to continue bowling.

If your topography dictated that this was necessary to score, you might want to invest in lower friction lane surfaces. In tournament bowling (not just open play or league), you're there to win and beat the field, which means conquering the pattern by whatever way you need to. If I need to loft it to the arrows to get over your beat to crap heads, so be it.
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2017, 07:53:10 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on September 10, 2017, 04:35:31 PM
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 10, 2017, 04:26:28 PM
Wesley Low is a very very good young player. He's going to kill them if he goes on tour.

As for the accuracy part, lofting it 15 feet with the ball coming down on 7th arrow without hitting the crap out of it and maintaining any decent ball roll is a skill itself. Heck, the right WITH the thumb in was deeper than the two hander! He was just cutting the heads more.

Is Mika not bowling because he can get it past the heads with loft?

This discussion is stupid. Are house shots bowling even though it's the Ray Charles open? Hit 5, strike. Hit 10, strike. Hit 15, strike.

Even Dick Weber never said "This isn't bowling." It's the evolution of the game that all.of us have created. We changed it with our wallets. Would we be having this discussion if resin had flopped and we were still just using urethane?

Low is just some punk kid lofting gutter caps........apparently they let anyone on team USA and into Wichita st who can't "bowl".........

My tone in the argument states I'm discrediting Wesley, which I'm not. I just thought he looked "fumble-y"  and not on his A game.  The other guy looked to be the better bowler, playing the better line.   The funny thing is, he's a nobody compared to Low!
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2017, 12:37:06 PM »
Blame the environment, not the bowler. 
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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2017, 12:52:26 PM »
I'll loft that bitch to the stars if I have to, none of you are going to shit about it.

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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2017, 01:39:02 PM »
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on September 11, 2017, 12:52:26 PM
I'll loft that bitch to the stars if I have to, none of you are going to shit about it.

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Re: Lefty lofting the right gutter...... sheez...
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2017, 01:47:09 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on September 11, 2017, 01:39:02 PM
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on September 11, 2017, 12:52:26 PM
I'll loft that bitch to the stars if I have to, none of you are going to shit about it.

 :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P

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I'll do it with 1500 polished too.  #TeamNF  :P  :P
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