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1fife

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Lefty vs Righty Debate
« on: March 25, 2004, 06:52:15 PM »
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i bowl in a 30 team league(it has 150 fulltime bowlers)

25 lefties and 125 righties

The debate about the shot on both sides is always heated. Last night was the last straw

if i take the top 10 avg's

7 are lefties  3 are righties
(6 of top 7 are lefties)

so
28% of the lefties are in the top 10 and 2.4% of the righties

if I go top 20 it gets slightly closer
12 are lefties and 8 are righties
48% of lefties are in top 20 and 6.4% of the righties

This has gone on for 4 years
last night
lefty first game-300, with another 279(high righty 258)
second game-300 (high Righty(299)
third game-they went 278,278,277 (high righy 256)

top 4 series all lefties(826,785,762,761)
They swept every pot again, with 4 lefties getting hands on $$ and none of the 125 righties were good enough to beat any of the lefties.

The typical response from the lefties-WE ARE JUST BETTER, the righties just arent that good. None of the 125 guys are any good.My teammate that is a lefty does agree their side is easier, but he is about the only one.

HOW CAN THE LEFTIES BE SO BLIND
Are they that insecure? what is it



side note-i bowl in another league and the scores are close(right and left side), but righties do have an advantage. My avergae is the same in both leagues(or close), but my teammate lefty is 18 pins higher on the other league(humm). I admit that the one house is easier on the right side, why can a lefty never admit to that. Stats can not be that wrong.

Do i sound bitter-maybe
jackpots have taken a dive (some have gone from $230 a game to $125)
brackets are a joke(use to be 12-16 scratch brackets, its down to 4 brackets and only 1 righty even gets in)

HAVE A GOOD DAY-I FEEL BETTER-not really


Edited on 3/26/2004 11:15 AM
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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2004, 09:58:55 AM »
when will it ever end?


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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2004, 10:29:40 AM »
simply solution...LH brackets, RH brackets.
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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2004, 10:46:16 AM »

One of the houses I shoot at oil to eight board on the left and ten on the right.  This is supposed to even out the condition "transition" advantage the lefties have.  Can't say lefties are dominant in our large scratch league, whether because of this or not.

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1fife, I'd really rather you didn't group all lefties in one group.  Sorry bout your bad experience with people in your leagues.  Maybe the suggestion about the separate left and right brackets is the right idea.

...and what about those right handed scissors, huh?  lol
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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2004, 10:54:00 AM »
Mongo – the pro’s do complain and talk about it and both sides do it. The Billy Hardwick thread on the PBA site is mostly about the lefty /righty issue on the tour 35 years ago.
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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2004, 11:40:17 AM »
i dont group all-just most

as stated, my teammate agrees, just too few others

and yes it does happen on tour. I keep in touch with some touring pros and this comes up all the time.

and mongo-if those are the states for abc'sI believe you, but not sure)
sounds like you are bitter about that one-WHY?
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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2004, 11:49:51 AM »
lets go with Bill Taylor on oil lane surface and be done with it all. Let the best bowler prevail.
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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2004, 01:48:26 PM »
Mongo, there is a huge lefty righty issue with the pros and its been an issue for many years.  You can make a shot where there is "side equity" (pros place and score roughly in proportion to their presence in the field -- 17% of the field is lefties, 17% make the top, scoring roughly equal on both sides) but frankly it gets boring.  Such a shot can only be set up in a small number of ways and will tend to be similar, favoring similar styles.  If you set up a shot that is fair to most styles (leaving out the rocket to the pocket crowd and the heathen drop and sloppers) and to both sides, you narrow the range of conditions further.  I understand that the difficulties with making the shot fair to all or most styles and both sides is one of the reasonsis why the PBA uses a variety of shots that lead to different patterns of play.

For example, there are shots put out for various tournaments or team qualifiers that REQUIRE a bowler to play one part of the lane to a very specific breakpoint.  OK, so its fair, but is it bowling?  Does it reward strategy, creativity, shot-making?  No.  Something to think about.
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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2004, 01:53:45 PM »
I just thought about it one day, and it eaiser for a lefty to bowl.  There is no one using their line, there the only ones bowling on that side of the lane!  They dont have to worry about the lanes breaking down to much, cuz if you have a guy bowling a 300, 279, and a 299.  That is only 25 or so balls that they have to shoot on their line, and all they gotta worry about is hitting their mark.  

Where as a righty, will have 4 other team maters, presumed to be all righty.  And another team presumed all righty.  That's 10 ppl all bowling on the same side of the lane, using similar lines.  This is just what i see on local leauges, and open bowling.

To me its simple if you think about it, but others may disagree.  After all im just a noob

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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2004, 02:17:22 PM »
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I just thought about it one day, and it eaiser for a lefty to bowl.  There is no one using their line, there the only ones bowling on that side of the lane!  They dont have to worry about the lanes breaking down to much, cuz if you have a guy bowling a 300, 279, and a 299.  That is only 25 or so balls that they have to shoot on their line, and all they gotta worry about is hitting their mark.  

Where as a righty, will have 4 other team maters, presumed to be all righty.  And another team presumed all righty.  That's 10 ppl all bowling on the same side of the lane, using similar lines.  This is just what i see on local leauges, and open bowling.

To me its simple if you think about it, but others may disagree.  After all im just a noob

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I can agree with this, But The fact of the matter is that when the lanes are oiled the shot is the same on both sides and there is just more right handed bowlers then left. To me it is not that either is better it is the left side
will always have a better shot than the right since there is more right handed
bowlers sharing the right side oil.

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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2004, 02:26:23 PM »
Simple solution:  Let's all just bowl with our middle hands.  No arguing there!
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1fife

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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2004, 02:34:30 PM »
i understand the case about the righties breaking the shot down-transition-moving etc

then why isnt the right side easy the first game right after they oiled the lanes? like the left side?

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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2004, 02:39:17 PM »
That's my point excatly fiber cut, most people who are serious about bowling have an "arsenal" and if you just keep playing your line. Not worrying about all of the variable's involved in bowling, and just hit your mark, throw your ball, make adjustments, and that equipment change when needed.

Then you should be fine if your a lefty or a righty, to me that is waht bowling comes down too.
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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2004, 03:34:10 PM »
Come to my home house and you will see that yes I may have the high average in the house, being that I'm the only lefty who regularly bowls in this house, but because it's a tougher shot I think the right side opens up quicker. I have seen a number of righties open up the shot by game number two and they can shoot 220's easy, the problem becomes the transitions from game two to three that they are unwilling to make. I have to make a transition usually in this third game, either to a tighter outside angled line or switch balls as my particle equipment will be flipping too hard by that point.

In the other house I sub in, the high average in the house (234) is by a right hander, and I think the other 220 plus averages are split equally between lefties and righties. There are some nights in that league when 7 people will be left handed on a pair, so tell me who has to make more moves with the conditions?

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Re: Lefty vs Righty Debate
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2004, 03:39:22 PM »
maybe the righties should learn how to keep up with the lefties then.  LEFTIES ARE JUST SIMPLY BETTER, POINT PROVEN, END OF DISCUSSION.  SHH, WWW.ZIPIT.COM,  AAHHHHH (But what about) SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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