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Zanatos1914

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Legal or Not Legal
« on: July 20, 2012, 09:49:59 AM »
Just had 2 situation last night and was alittle confused on both... One of the dudes I was bowling against started cleaning his ball with alcohol after a few shots, the same dude put some powder on his shoe and made the approach slippery for me because I don't slide that much, and also is having a wet cleaning rag legal ( Just water )

 

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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2012, 10:09:35 AM »
Cleaning the ball with alcohol was legal.

Getting the powder on the approach was illegal.

As for a wet towel, there's no rule says you can't use a wet towel (as long as it's a approved cleaner) except at the Nationals (or if you have a league rule for it).

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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2012, 10:24:24 AM »
alcohol changes the ball reaction so I thought it was illegal...

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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2012, 10:31:49 AM »
alcohol changes the ball reaction so I thought it was illegal...

Alcohol doesn't change the hardness of the ball or have abrasives in it so is legal to use.
It changed the balls reaction because it cleaned it off.
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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2012, 10:34:32 AM »
alcohol changes the ball reaction so I thought it was illegal...

There are many ball cleaners which are legal to use during bowling. There are many that are only for use before or after bowling. There is a published list by the USBC.
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Combined%20cleaner_polish.pdf

His using powder on his shoes is not illegal. His getting it on the approach and interfering with your slide IS illegal, because it can be dangerous and unsafe for you and others.
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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2012, 10:36:27 AM »
alcohol changes the ball reaction so I thought it was illegal...

There are many ball cleaners which are legal to use during bowling. There are many that are only for use before or after bowling. There is a published list by the USBC.
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Combined%20cleaner_polish.pdf

Fortunately or unfortunately, what we think of these cleaners and compounds is not important. What the USBC thinks of them is, when we bowl in sanctioned competition..

His using powder on his shoes is not illegal. His getting it on the approach and interfering with your slide IS illegal, because it can be dangerous and unsafe for you and others.
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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2012, 04:44:10 PM »
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His using powder on his shoes is not illegal. His getting it on the approach and interfering with your slide IS illegal, because it can be dangerous and unsafe for you and others.

Unfortunately Rule 12 is very weak.  Another problem is that most officials i.e. league and associations do not want to take rule 12 action because they themselves are not up on the rules.  Some just do not want to upset anyone.  Oh that's just Joe he's been doing that for years.  We don't want to upset old Joe!  Facts are it is not illegal to put powder on your shoes.  When it becomes illegal is when they track it on the approach.  Then you have to have a league official ask them to stop.  Since the official was elected in a pig kissing contest and doesn't want to enforce the rules because they do not know them there is the problem.  So getting old Joe to stop because no one knows the rules or will enforce them will get someone seriously hurt.  I had a bowler using graphite on his shoes and getting him to stop was next to impossible!  Another fact people that track ezslide onto approaches honest only think of themselves.  They do not think of how it will effect others that are bowling with them.  When they argue about it and say well I am not able to slide and I will get hurt, what about the other people you bowl with?  There are possibly 9 other bowlers on the same pair as they are during league.  What is the ezslide going to do to their approach?  Sometimes you hear well why don't they use ezslide too?  IT IS DANGEROUS IF NOT USED CORRECTLY!  That is why the industry has come up with various solutions to this problem.  Please pick the solution that will not endanger your fellow bowlers.

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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2012, 05:48:03 PM »
Cleaning a ball with an approved cleaner during league is fine. Cleaning it with water is also fine. Applying the powder to the shoes is not fine as will leave a residue on the approach. Try applying powder to your shoes on the pair I'm bowling on and we are going to have a major problem due to my concern over my lower back and health in general.

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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2012, 12:16:40 AM »
This isn't to start a fight but the shoe thing, if I can not slide I will put easy slide on my shoe regardless if someone likes it or not.  Why is it ok for you to slide or plant and throw but i have to struggle if I am sticking on the approach.  If I am having a problem sliding I am going to figure it out to solve the problem.

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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2012, 02:04:13 AM »
It's not really a matter of somebody liking it or not, it's a matter of it breaking a rule or not. It's different if the approaches are sticky and you know you're going to stick, than having powder or easy-slide on your shoe and not knowing it...it's dangerous and unfair to whoever might get it on their shoe.

 As long as it doesn't effect me, I'm not going to say anything about somebody using powder or easy-slide. But there are a lot of people that get it all over the place.

I've used a sliding stone sometimes in the summer when the approaches are sticky and it's great. No powdery residue gets anywhere. I don't know why they aren't approved.
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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2012, 08:17:16 AM »
This isn't to start a fight but the shoe thing, if I can not slide I will put easy slide on my shoe regardless if someone likes it or not.  Why is it ok for you to slide or plant and throw but i have to struggle if I am sticking on the approach.  If I am having a problem sliding I am going to figure it out to solve the problem.

No one say's you can't use easy slide, just use it responsibly.

There are a lot bowler's who take easy slide and cake it all over the sole. then when they walk to and on the approach, you see easy slide foot prints every where.

Now someone else comes up to bowl they step in it and get it on their shoes, the approach is real slippery for them. They could fall. That's what the rule is about defacing the approach.

If you use it put it on outside the bowlers circle, tap the excessive off the on the carpet or use your shoe brush and brush it off. It will still work. It doesn't take much.

Or if your sticking on just one part of the sole , just put it on there, not the entire sole.

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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2012, 01:41:57 PM »
If your slide shoe is sticking on the approach, perhaps you should consider purchasing some decent bowling shoes with interchangeable soles. Then you could simply put on a slipperier sole. That's what I do and it does not affect anyone else.

Anybody who powders up their shoe sole and then gets it on the settee area or worse on the approach is going to hear from me AND the league officers AND the house manager AND everybody within hearing range!
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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2012, 08:49:38 PM »
So I should have to spend close to $100 for a pair of shoes when I can just put some easy slide on my current ones and be fine.  You sir are off your rocker.  And I am guessing you one of the bowlers who when they dont like something that is not going there way you whine, piss and moan to you get your way.   You will make a lot of enemies being a little crybaby bitch.  If you want to by me a brand new pair of shoes go for it, if not, you better hope you never bowl with me because if I am sticking, then you better believe I am breaking out the easy slide whether your ass likes it or not.   Like I said before its ok for you to be able to slide ok but I can't, I have to put up with it.  Your an idiot!

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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2012, 09:44:37 PM »
If you insist on applying powder to your shoe and plan on bowling in a SERIOUS tournament of some type, plan on receiving a shakedown from the tournament director. Good luck.....you'll need it.

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Re: Legal or Not Legal
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2012, 10:03:54 PM »
Ah yes.  Legal or not?  In most cases, who cares and who can prove it?  More importantly, who's got the balls to call somebody out on it.  Do I care if somebody is using a cleaner on his ball between shots.  NO.  It ain't making a difference.  Am I going to have it chemically analyzed if he has it in a plain bottle?  No, and neither are the rest of you.  How many of you have demanded your league officers confiscate a ball that you think is illegally drilled and have it weighed?  Answer?  None.  Most of these rules are for punks or for the BR Prig.

Powder getting on the approaches to me is the only exception.  Somebody can get hurt very bad.     
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