Post by: Atochabsh on August 27, 2009, 05:14:59 AM
So lets say you are a 200 ave. bowler. You try two-handed and can only manage around 140. You establish a league avreage two-handed. Then when it comes to handicap tournaments you use one hand. SIMPLE.
Erin
Post by: Bill Thomas on August 27, 2009, 01:43:49 PM
Post by: Atochabsh on August 27, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
Of course now it means that there'll be more rules in tournaments about no more then a 10 pin drop from a prior year's book average. That will only stop those that had a book average the prior year.
Erin
Post by: nutsforbowling on August 27, 2009, 01:59:38 PM
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Post by: Bluff on August 27, 2009, 02:50:02 PM
I bet you are the Biggest sandbagger in your area
Only Sandbagger think the way you think
Post by: los2003 on August 27, 2009, 03:00:20 PM
Post by: Roto_Ryan on August 27, 2009, 03:28:25 PM
Post by: No Revs00300 on August 27, 2009, 04:07:08 PM
Post by: Atochabsh on August 27, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
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Only Sandbagger think the way you think
And USBC Directors and Employees
Post by: SleepOnIce on August 27, 2009, 07:22:17 PM
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Only Sandbagger think the way you think
And USBC Directors and Employees
Same thing (Sandbaggers and USBC Directors/Employees, not you).
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Post by: Jock on August 28, 2009, 03:35:40 AM
quote:quote:QuoteOnly Sandbagger think the way you think
And USBC Directors and Employees
Same thing (Sandbaggers and USBC Directors/Employees, not you).
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I've upped my average, so up yours!
Post by: On Further Review on August 28, 2009, 10:46:58 AM
Post by: APheLion on August 28, 2009, 11:27:42 AM
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: On Further Review on August 28, 2009, 01:58:36 PM
Post by: David Lee Yskes on August 29, 2009, 10:10:33 PM
yet i could of easily averaged alot higher...... But by the end of the yr I was up over a 200avg on this second shift league.
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Post by: Atochabsh on August 30, 2009, 12:29:11 AM
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It's no different than someone like me, who hadnt bowled in a few yrs, but last yr started back up... Well through most of the first half of the league, I was averaging like low 180s
yet i could of easily averaged alot higher...... But by the end of the yr I was up over a 200avg on this second shift league.
It is different because the intent is not there. Most improving bowlers have one year to enter tournaments at a lower average and even then many might be rerated if the tournament is a monthly repeating type. But come next year, unless you delibertly bowl under your ability your average will level off, as it has the second half of the league season you are referring to.
Erin
Post by: Bill Thomas on August 30, 2009, 07:05:11 AM
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Post by: pinspeaker on August 30, 2009, 09:14:49 AM
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You only have to worry about that if you bowl in tourneys in which bowlers are not subject to a re-rate of their average... And if you bowl in those, then its your own fault.
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Agreed. There are other ways as well. There was one guy in our area who use to bowl league with a plastic ball but would bring in 8 brand new reactive balls to tournaments. He got away with one tournament in our area and was banned from bowling anything else. Its up to the people to monitor this stuff. Happens once, lesson learned. Happens twice, shame on you.
Post by: Atochabsh on August 30, 2009, 12:43:35 PM
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You only have to worry about that if you bowl in tourneys in which bowlers are not subject to a re-rate of their average... And if you bowl in those, then its your own fault.
lets say you hold an open tournament and folks come to bowl from a couple associations away. How are you to know that their average is established using their right, left or two hands? There's no place on the membership application for it. Secretaries do not notate a change in hand delivery unless its been voted on in the league.
The only way you would know is if someone has personal knowledge and witness of how a particular bowler bowls. So when you enter a tournament you are hoping that those that need to be rerated will be, but how do you know? All of a sudden you are bowling and the guy next to you shooting 190s has a 130 average. Then someone might mention "oh yeah, I saw him bowling in X league and he was using two hands then". Since USBC allows two handed bowlers to use one or two hands at their will, its not a change of delivery.
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There was one guy in our area who use to bowl league with a plastic ball but would bring in 8 brand new reactive balls to tournaments. He got away with one tournament in our area and was banned from bowling anything else. Its up to the people to monitor this stuff.
This is exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. And every tournament there seems to be a couple that have found a way to come in with a lower average then their best ability. And the association does try to keep an eye on it. Which is why I brought this whole thing up. Its already been mentioned to us at the assoc. level, that someone is going to be trying the "two handed" sandbagging method. Just when you think you've caught one scam, they come up with another one.
Erin
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Post by: Atochabsh on August 30, 2009, 01:56:22 PM
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Im doing the opposite this year, 215-220 average 2 handed, about 180-190 1 handed (I do it as a joke) but doing a league season with it this year. I've been bowling 2 handed for 15 years and 1 handed for about a month, never threw 1 handed ever before that.
So USBC says that you can bowl 21 games one handed, establish a lower average, and then bowl two handed in any tournament as long as you do not change your domminant hand. And its a fine joke indeed
And besides the problem with living with yourself knowing you have delibertly used an artificially low average or not is the general perception of bowling tournaments. We are constantly seeing a drop in participation and this is the main reason. People don't think they have a chance because there's always someone sandbagging somehow.
Edited on 8/30/2009 1:58 PM
Post by: nerdytoes on August 31, 2009, 07:38:49 PM
Post by: jls on September 01, 2009, 10:08:23 AM
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Everyone should just bowl scratch. Then the truth comes out.
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I agree, everyone bowlscratch... You pit your 5 bowlers against their 5 bowlers and bowl match play...
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