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carlos

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oil
« on: December 07, 2014, 05:42:21 PM »
With the price of oil dropping to record low prices, There should be little excusses for bowling alleys not to put out more. I talked to a GM and he said the price was still high for lane oil. What am I missing. Putting out more oil could help justifying selling more aggressive balls. Maybe i'm overlooking the bigger picture of leagues taking whatever the bowling establishment says or choses to do. Thx for positive input

 

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Re: oil
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2014, 05:51:36 PM »
Kegel lane oil, sold in 2.5 gallon jugs with 2 jugs in a case (5 total gallons), runs around 220 from my distributor. My local center uses Polychem, which runs less than half of that for 5 gallons.

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Re: oil
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2014, 05:54:51 PM »
Modern lane oil may start off coming from crude, but it's highly different than what you put in your car.  There are a lot of additives that go in that are specific to bowling.  And since we keep buying balls that chew up oil, the manufacturers keep trying to find new and better additives that will allow the oil to hold up better.  That's probably where the additional costs come from.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2014, 07:04:39 PM »
Carlos:

In the shortest way possible, many bowling center proprietors, generally, no longer focus on the league bowler as one that draws high profit margins anymore. Their focus has changed in the past two decades.

I find many bowling centers becoming Family Entertainment Centers (FEC's), or traditional centers with an emphasis on food and beverage. The clientele for theses FEC's are completely different, including birthday party goers and groups of individuals who go to the bowling center to drink. Attendance and profit margins for drawing these customers are generally higher than league bowlers. Therefore, providing player services like pro shops and consistent lane conditions are less important in the modern business.

I remember reading the online reviews for the bowling center that housed the shop I was working for. A common complaint from these FEC-type customers were actually how the lane oil got on their clothes. Yet, after reading that, I was actually thinking how the GM/proprietor to lay down more oil, at least for the league bowlers. The proprietor has to choose who would be readily equipped to keep them afloat.

Hopefully, if you still love bowling, you will have to adjust and rely less on technology because of the reduced amount of oil on the lanes in these FEC's, which clearly cater better to open play bowlers' needs.

If this trend is something you don't think you can deal with, you may want to consider another hobby that may not present you with such frustrations, or consider bowling in a market where league bowlers are still the focal point of the proprietor.

Best of luck.

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2014, 02:38:38 AM »
Good luck with that.90 % are owned by AMF,Bowlmore and Brunswick,where they open at 4,put down 32 feet,light and some helfpyou if your a cranker or lack over 15 mpm ball speed at the release
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2014, 09:06:11 AM »
....90 % are owned by AMF,Bowlmore and Brunswick,....

You may not like AMF, Bowlmor, or Brunswick centers, but at least get your information correct before posting.  After the Brunswick purchase by Bowlmor, they now own roughly 7% of the bowling centers in the U.S.  Any problems with bowling are not from AMF/Bowlmor, they are from lazy so-called competitive bowlers who complain more than act.

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Re: oil
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2014, 10:04:20 AM »
....90 % are owned by AMF,Bowlmore and Brunswick,....

You may not like AMF, Bowlmor, or Brunswick centers, but at least get your information correct before posting.  After the Brunswick purchase by Bowlmor, they now own roughly 7% of the bowling centers in the U.S.  Any problems with bowling are not from AMF/Bowlmor, they are from lazy so-called competitive bowlers who complain more than act.

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2014, 05:38:26 PM »
Okay 90% is a a bit much. But the lack for the lenght of oil isn't. I would gladly bowl in a sport short avereaging 191,yes i did that.,but to compete with area bowlers averaging 224 on THS is near impossible with my ball speed
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Re: oil
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2014, 07:35:53 AM »
Okay 90% is a a bit much. But the lack for the lenght of oil isn't. I would gladly bowl in a sport short avereaging 191,yes i did that.,but to compete with area bowlers averaging 224 on THS is near impossible with my ball speed

As far as I know, AMF/Bowlmor centers have oil patterns that are set up by the staff at each center.  It is not a corporate policy to have no oil or short oil or light oil as the local pattern.  If the pattern truly is that bad, then a joint effort by an entire league or group of leagues can possibly get it changed.  Just don't have individuals complaining to the manager the shot sucks.  It is one thing to complain, it is another to present your complaint in a professional manner (with possible solutions or insights).  Guess which one is more successful.

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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2014, 06:49:58 PM »
I will piggy-back with the above post. If you are going to talk to a head mechanic or GM at any bowling center, know what you are talking about when making conversation about the house shot, especially if it affects leagues. With league lineage upwards to $7.00/game (same as open play in some cases, and is almost guaranteed on a weekly basis, and not when it gets "hot"), it's in the best interest of the manager to listen.

Therefore, you should know about KOSI pattern graphs and make sure to be respectful during your conversation about what you observe as the lane changes - like the midlane holding up/not holding up in a league for 5-man teams because a lot of players like to use surface/not a lot of surface. A good head mechanic and manager will listen if you present them with valid reasons, in respectful ways, even at AMF houses!

Remember, those guys are in a position to make a playable condition for a large majority of their bowlers, and not just you and your team.

If you are, however, not in a position to influence lane conditions. Do what you're in control of, and that is your performance and adjustment skills.

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2014, 11:21:41 AM »
Thanks guys,and your advice about discussing lane dressing with center personnel is well taken.As mentioned  earlier  AMF/BOLMORs shot is indeed set by the staff with imput from corporate advisors,and certain league bowlers,according  to the manager. I do need to adjust my game as much as possible,but at 5'6" 135 with 2 buldging disks i can manage 15 mph off hand with 350-375 rpm with a 14 lb ball.Track 400a is a bit strong so i fall onto a AMF  NIGHT HAWK OR GLOBAL 900 HOOK. Also the midlane quickly breaks down on our 5 person league. While i can make adjustments, ,less hand,more up the back release,with all these hook in the box balls,couldn't  more lane conditioner and longer pattern  solve problems for slow speed rev dominate bowlers as well as speed dominate with less hand,especially outside the 10 board with the super oil soakers?  As a Vincennes  bowling lane management  graduate and bowling team member,I hate to admit that the backbone of any bowling center is no longer league bowlers. As a member of the local USBC we arehaving difficulty getting centers to bid on city tournaments. There must be a compromise  between  USBC and BPAA.
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