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Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« on: March 04, 2013, 07:49:05 AM »
I recently wrote a letter to USBC concerning my opinions on the current state of bowling that I thought I'd share with everyone.  I actually got a response, and just about word for word what I expected, but at least an actual human read my letter and replied.  Here is the letter, their response, and then I'll finish up:

This is an open letter to whom it may concern reflecting my opinions and comments regarding the state of bowling as a whole as well as a widely perceived view on how the USBC is only serving to further destroy the sport so many of us love and have already begun to mourn.  I will however begin by saying that the USBC Open Championships represents everything that is right with the sport of bowling.  The challenge, the venues, the organization, the execution, the resources, etc., every part of "Nationals" is so expertly crafted that even some of the best bowlers in the world make a point to come compete.  That, unfortunately, is where it ends, and could one day be lost as bowling as a whole continues to decline.  It is incredibly irresponsible of USBC to be so out of touch with league bowling, the very foundation of the sport.  I read a published article regarding fresh oil for every squad at the 2013 Open Championships, finally correcting the only problem I believe the event had.  It referenced a quote from someone regarding having one pattern for the team event and a different pattern for singles and doubles, effectively saying that USBC wanted to challenge their bowlers' versatility.  I found it to be one of the most hypocritical statements or comments I have ever come across.  USBC's specifications and limits regarding legal lane conditions are so wide open that thousands of league bowlers who never practice can show up to league once a week, shoot 750 with the only ball they own, and go home without so much as a thought.  These are the same people that post 230+ averages during the league season, only to show up to the Open Championships to shoot 1500 for all events, and go home with their tails between their legs.  The idea that making tighter restrictions on lane conditions would only serve to further drive away bowlers and hurt revenue for center owners is ludicrous, as USBC membership has fallen from approximately 9 million to 1.7 million in a little over a decade, corresponding with ever increasing numbers of "honor scores" and member averages.  When scoring was harder, people spent money practicing, centers were full for early AND late leagues every night of the week.  This has made the future for our youth bowlers dismal, and has driven away the majority of the truly skilled bowlers.  The quality of coaches has declined, combined with the fact that it's impossible to convince a kid they made a bad shot even though they struck.  If youth bowlers are putting up numbers on easy shots, they believe they are good, and become hard to coach.  Then when they start competing in Junior Gold or PBA Experience leagues, they become discouraged fast, and when they are ready to be coached, more often than not, their game has to be completely torn down and rebuilt.  There was a youth in my city recently who shot his "first" 800.  He is not skilled, and not accurate.  He is a no thumb bowler who simply throws a lot of revs and a lot of speed, and on a legal USBC pattern, all he really has to do is keep the ball right of the headpin to strike.  This past summer, he, like a lot of the city high school bowlers, joined our summer PBA Experience league.  He proceeded to shoot 354 for the entire 3 game set the first night of league on the Cheetah pattern, following which he packed up his equipment and never came back.  This is the kind of bowler the USBC is creating.  I used to believe my "accomplishments" were earned and worth something, now I realize they aren't worth any more than the metal the rings are made out of, which is in fact so cheap that they are impossible to resize.  All my work, my effort, what I've learned, it's all meaningless.  I have been a pro shop operator for 7 years now, and I would consider my knowledge, experience, and skill to be very high, yet the process of selecting a ball, watching the bowler, and crafting a layout and surface prep for most USBC sanctioned lane conditions is needless.  I can pick any ball off the wall, "label" drill it, never touch the surface, put holes in it, and whoever I drill it for will be "successful."  People in their 60's and 70's are reaching scores they have never seen before.  It's more surprising to hear that someone has NOT achieved "perfection" now than to hear that they have.  USBC is supposed to be the governing body for sanctioned competition, but all it serves to do is drive people elsewhere for real competition or real challenge.  Bowling is no longer a sport, or even a game, it is a recreation, where people gather in attempts to record obscene numbers or merely occupy them while they drink and socialize.  Any activity that requires zero practice and little effort to achieve "perfection" will eventually cease to exist.  I have put my life into bowling, and in turn it nearly became my life, but no longer.  I am ashamed to be a USBC member, and to be associated with the laughingstock that this recreation of sanctioned bowling has become.  The amount of money and time that has to be put into obtaining "available" coaching certifications, or to attend "available" tournaments or events is staggering, and the opportunity to prepare for these things doesn't exist for most of us.  The USBC is turning a blind, uncaring, ignorant eye to the most important things in bowling, while raising sanction fees at the same time.  Charging me admission to view the destruction of a sport I have put my life into is unacceptable.  For the first time in several years, I will not attend the Open Championships, simply because I have zero opportunities to practice on tougher conditions to prepare in the months leading up to the tournament.  The attitude the USBC has towards the sport is wholly irresponsible.  I can serve my kids cake for supper, but make vegetables available, which do you think they will choose?  Bowling is not on the rise, it continues to fall, and the focus and effort is completely in the wrong direction.  Making coaching and affordable equipment available and teaching a golfer how to putt makes little difference if the greens they play on funnel down towards the hole.  The USBC is singularly to blame for the current state of bowling, and it disgusts me.  Thank you for your time.

The response:
I appreciate your feedback and your membership. Your email illustrates a challenging issue the industry faces. USBC’s role in controlling lane conditions are a controversial subject and one that draws out many strong opinions. While you make a good argument for a mandating lower scoring lane conditions, there are enforcement and compliance challenges on the other side. USBC’s Sport Bowling program attempts to provide an option for those bowlers/centers who want the challenge you seek. I realize this is not a perfect solution as many communities do not have a center that offers Sport Bowling leagues.

 

I respect your passion for the sport and have no doubt your opinions come from a desire to improve bowling. I do want to clarify your implication that USBC has been raising dues. USBC national dues are $10 and have not increased since 2006.

 

Thank you for taking the time to write.

 

Best regards,

Jason Overstreet

USBC Communications


First of all regarding the league dues, a few years ago our dues rose from $15 to $17, apparently our local association raised their fee and blamed it on USBC, so I wasn't very happy about that, I definitely would not have stuck that in my letter if I'd have known.  The point of the letter wasn't to throw USBC under the bus, but this is honestly the way I believe it is.  I knew I would get something back about the challenges of enforcement, but here's the deal.  The USBC let it get out of control years ago when they were more concerned about an ounce of sideweight in a ball than about the ball itself, or about regulating the oil patterns.  The PBA figured this out 15 or more years ago, why didn't the USBC?  So maybe the current people in power at the USBC didn't have anything to do with it, but the organization itself is completely responsible.  Regarding the challenges though, as I said in the letter, I've worked in the bowling industry for 7 years now, I very well understand all the challenges and issues, I'm not just writing the letter crying about things without having a very knowledgeable and objective viewpoint.  Honestly though, they're going to have to do something, and here's the real point of contention.  Center owners will fight tougher conditions because they think they'll lose business.  Well, they have already lost business for years.  A real simple solution here, make conditions tougher for the sanctioned leagues.  If you don't want a tougher shot, don't bowl a sanctioned league.  What does sanctioning really do for you?  Gives you some trinkets, and allows you to use your average in tournaments for potential handicap.  People wouldn't quit bowling if they were told their league wouldn't be sanctioned, they would see it as a way to save fees every year.  Most people don't bowl tournaments anymore.  But of course, this would really hurt the USBC.  So instead of really governing the sport and enforcing the rules, they're content to just let things slip away while they say, "oh, well we offer a bunch of stuff."  Rant off. 
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2013, 02:07:20 PM »
They have to make appointments for lane inspections now.

Do they even inspect the lanes after a honor score anymore?  Seems like that would be a full time job these days.  I forgot they used to do that.

Today, even if the shot & lanes are illegal, the bowler still gets the award.

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2013, 09:03:04 PM »
They have to make appointments for lane inspections now.

Do they even inspect the lanes after a honor score anymore?  Seems like that would be a full time job these days.  I forgot they used to do that.

Today, even if the shot & lanes are illegal, the bowler still gets the award.

Proof?
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2013, 08:23:10 AM »
We have been having a similar discussion recently around Dallas on a Facebook group. Something that was tried several years ago has been brought up again as a possible solution to this problem. The idea is tiered memberships and linking patterns to those levels. For example:

Tier 1: costs $10 per year. Pattern is unregulated, but you earn no awards. Only tracking of averages and rule support.

Tier 2: $25 per year. A pattern with ratios around the current White or Blue level. Full awards and everything that goes with it. Maybe even better awards since fewer would be awarded.

Tier 3: $40 per year and is the current Sport program. 3 to 1 ratios etc.

One of the center owners even suggested that on the tier 1, he would just include the sanction cost per bowler in his lineage and pay it himself. So, no extra cost to the bowler. Sign up in what could be considered beginner leagues and bowl. Hope here is we get a few people hooked, they want to improve and start to join the better leagues. Which would most likely pay more money at the end of leagues you would think.

A key point USBC has to address on the top two tiers is a way that bowling centers with older style lane machines have to be able to offer the programs too. Right now if you don't have a $40,000 machine they lock you out of the opportunity to participate.

So,questions would be.  Would you support tiered membership?  What tier would you choose?

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2013, 10:54:29 AM »
We have been having a similar discussion recently around Dallas on a Facebook group. Something that was tried several years ago has been brought up again as a possible solution to this problem. The idea is tiered memberships and linking patterns to those levels. For example:

Tier 1: costs $10 per year. Pattern is unregulated, but you earn no awards. Only tracking of averages and rule support.

Tier 2: $25 per year. A pattern with ratios around the current White or Blue level. Full awards and everything that goes with it. Maybe even better awards since fewer would be awarded.

Tier 3: $40 per year and is the current Sport program. 3 to 1 ratios etc.

One of the center owners even suggested that on the tier 1, he would just include the sanction cost per bowler in his lineage and pay it himself. So, no extra cost to the bowler. Sign up in what could be considered beginner leagues and bowl. Hope here is we get a few people hooked, they want to improve and start to join the better leagues. Which would most likely pay more money at the end of leagues you would think.

A key point USBC has to address on the top two tiers is a way that bowling centers with older style lane machines have to be able to offer the programs too. Right now if you don't have a $40,000 machine they lock you out of the opportunity to participate.

So,questions would be.  Would you support tiered membership?  What tier would you choose?

That's an excellent idea, that way you could really choose what you want to do, and everybody at least has an opportunity for something.  Much better idea than anything I've heard yet.  That's partially my deal too, maybe bowling was too hard 30 years ago, and maybe it was just fine, but I think the majority of the house shots out there make it too easy to get these big scores and awards for them. 

And another thing, I realize it's not too easy for everyone . . but your 180 and below averages really aren't consistent enough bowlers to notice pattern differences in the first place, I don't think there's a way to make it easy enough for 170 average bowlers to get up to 220.  That has a lot more to do with the bowler than it does the conditions. 

But I digress, excellent idea.  If you want your 6 or 7 300's a year, go for it, if you want more challenge, you have it.  I'd definitely support this. 
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2013, 02:32:45 PM »
If you were going to go that route, you'd have to force at least one house in the local association to provide a sport league so those of us that want to participate in them can.  My biggest problem is that I dont even have the option.  Tiering alone doesn't fix that.
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2013, 03:02:50 PM »
If you were going to go that route, you'd have to force at least one house in the local association to provide a sport league so those of us that want to participate in them can.  My biggest problem is that I dont even have the option.  Tiering alone doesn't fix that.

I'm in the same boat, that's why I push so hard for it.  I don't care if it's late, on Sunday mornings, just give me something . .
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2013, 09:31:37 PM »
My home center doesn't either and can't due to the lane machine issue I mentioned. They would love to see that there would be a "return on investment" to justify buying one of the sanction technology machines. But would take a lot to make up in a 16 lane center. In Dallas there are PBA experience leagues and a few sport, but its a drive with traffic even if the distance isn't bad. I don't see why if you can show you meet the ratio, why it has to be one of the set patterns from these high end machines.

In talking with one center owner, he felt they tried to do the tiered at the wrong time and pushed too hard to quick. It might be a better time now and more bowlers might be open to the opportunity.

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2013, 09:39:35 PM »
If you were going to go that route, you'd have to force at least one house in the local association to provide a sport league so those of us that want to participate in them can.  My biggest problem is that I dont even have the option.  Tiering alone doesn't fix that.

ok, let's assume this happens.  And the one house is forced to offer the league and only you show up.  you going to bowl by yourself every week on one pair?  You can't force anyone else to bowl sport conditions.  Have fun with your practice session. 

This is classic you can lead a horse to water be can't make them drink.

And again, a business is supposed to go to the expense of getting the necessary equipment to provide sport conditions for what profitable purpose?

There are one house associations across the country that may have 4 leagues all week.  Now if they have 1 sport tier member, they must comply and provide a sport league.  That's what you are expected USBC to mandate.

That isn't going to happen.

I don't think people think it through or care to.

USBC must mandate playing rules that apply to all associations.  Whether that association has 100 houses or just one 8 lane house.

So if you live in some place that has only one bowling alley within 50 miles, and that bowling alley is still wood lanes that cannot be resurfaced anymore because it's down to the nails, and the lane machine is a century 100, because it's only an 8 lane house with 2 mixed leagues a week; I'm sorry, you may not get sport conditions to practice on because you are the only person within a 100 mile radius who wants them.

And no; USBC is NEVER going to make that house put one out because a century 100 is NOT CAPABLE of producing a repeatable sport condition and why would that owner invest in a new lane machine when his century 100 serves his BUSINESS base just fine.  And USBC will never mandate something that forces owners to buy new lane equipment at $50,000 a machine. 

And who knows. 

There may even be a smaller town where the lane man still brings out the oil sprayer and mop.

Everyone does not bowl in a modern bowling center with a Kegel machine and the easiest THS in the world.  Think about it now.  Those of you who live in big cities.  Each house is different.  They are all THS, do you average the same at every house?  Hell if you bowl at the same house on different nights you probably have different averages.

Most houses want happy bowlers.  Why?  Happy bowlers come back.  Happy bowlers drink and eat.  Lots of strikes equals happy bowlers.

Happy bowlers equal profits.  Bowling alleys are BUSINESSES. They are there to make money.

We seem to forget that too.

I'm sorry if you live somewhere where your only option of bowling is 1 house that puts out the easiest shot in the world to hit.  USBC is not going to mandate they make them tougher for you.  You are probably just out of luck.

Life sucks sometimes.  Just like the lefthanders who bowl at the house with the owner who hates lefties because they never have to move so he instructs the lane man to screw up the left side.  Or the guys who bowl at houses where the laneman sets the shot so he can bowl well and who cares about anyone else. 

Those houses exist too.  What should USBC do about those houses?  It's not fair to them either.   :)

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2013, 10:00:16 AM »
One house in an association isn't asking much.  I don't care if it's a practice session for only me - at least I'll have the option.  If you're going to tier something, you have to have all the tiers available even if only one person is interested.
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2013, 09:53:19 PM »
A proprietor puts out his regular house shot, league average is 215-220. After league is over the bar is crowded, guys laughing and drinking.
Someone complains that the shot is too easy so the next week the propritor changes the shot and league average goes to sub 200.
After league is over everyone is pissed off and goes home, no laughing and no drinking.
What shot do you think the proprietor will put down next week? What would you do?

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2013, 07:43:37 AM »
A proprietor puts out his regular house shot, league average is 215-220. After league is over the bar is crowded, guys laughing and drinking.
Someone complains that the shot is too easy so the next week the propritor changes the shot and league average goes to sub 200.
After league is over everyone is pissed off and goes home, no laughing and no drinking.
What shot do you think the proprietor will put down next week? What would you do?

After several weeks, several months, or a year or two of scoring big on a THS, the good scores stay about the same, but the bad scores are still there, which the big scores make even worse (I average 230, I should never shoot 170!).  The guys start gathering in the bar to complain about the lanes, the equipment, or the carry.  They start whining to the bowling center, and the pro shop.  Eventually, if they don't shoot what they think they should every week (because they're good, you understand), they just pack their crap up at the end of the night and get out the door as quick as they can.  Then they go to Nationals, and struggle their way to 500 or 510, swearing they'll never return, that it's unfair or unscorable, scoffing at the guys up on the leaderboard in the high 700s, saying "well I'm not a pro bowler, I don't have all the time and money and sponsors," not knowing that most of the guys on the leaderboard are average joes too.  They quit spending money on equipment, leagues, practice, and beer, and eventually they just become the weekend warriors or piss and vinegar distribution machines.  They aren't satisfied with the scoring pace, they find reasons why they should be scoring higher (it's always the center's fault or the ball's fault or the ball driller's fault), and complain non-stop to everyone within earshot.  That's the reality. 
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2013, 10:12:52 AM »
Gizmo, I agree with a lot of what you had to say there, but why do we feel the need to bring these donkeys back down to earth? Just keep your mouth shut, laugh at them, and be comforted in the fact that YOU know better. That's what I do.

Every week, I see and hear guys in league who strut around like they're great bowlers because they have a high league average. Sometimes I'll even hear our fellow bowlers comment about how good so and so is. What do I do when I see or hear this? I just shake my head and keep my mouth shut because I know that all but 1 or 2 of these 220+ league heros would be lucky to average 175 at Nationals or something of comparable difficulty. That fact is usually proven when our local mashers come back from USBC's having shot 1540 All-Events with 1 200 game out of 9. And while I don't wish those types of things on anybody, when they happen, that's what makes me realize just how right I am about who is and is not good.

As I've said on here several times. I'm not a good bowler. I'm just one of a million guys who is pretty good at exploiting the scoreability of easy house shots, and, to be honest, given my modest honor score count - 3 300s, 1 800 - I'm not even all that good at that! I give myself credit for two things. One, I do know the game. I understand ball motion, ball prep (surface, layouts, etc.), lane play, adjustments, etc. better than most people. Sadly, I just don't have a strong enough physical game to execute the shots that I know need to be thrown. Two, and this is far more important, I actually know where I stand in the bowling hierarchy, and it's way, way, way down the totem pole. I am self aware. That's something too many bowlers aren't, and those sound like the ones who are frustrating you, Gizmo.

Don't waste your time trying to prove to the world that Bowler X really sucks when he and his cronies think he's a God. It's pointless, and, to be honest, they're probably not hurting anyone. The bowlers, like you, who know better will just be laughing at them anyhow, and the bowlers who don't know better, well, they never will!

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2013, 01:06:39 PM »
Gizmo, I agree with a lot of what you had to say there, but why do we feel the need to bring these donkeys back down to earth? Just keep your mouth shut, laugh at them, and be comforted in the fact that YOU know better. That's what I do.

Every week, I see and hear guys in league who strut around like they're great bowlers because they have a high league average. Sometimes I'll even hear our fellow bowlers comment about how good so and so is. What do I do when I see or hear this? I just shake my head and keep my mouth shut because I know that all but 1 or 2 of these 220+ league heros would be lucky to average 175 at Nationals or something of comparable difficulty. That fact is usually proven when our local mashers come back from USBC's having shot 1540 All-Events with 1 200 game out of 9. And while I don't wish those types of things on anybody, when they happen, that's what makes me realize just how right I am about who is and is not good.

As I've said on here several times. I'm not a good bowler. I'm just one of a million guys who is pretty good at exploiting the scoreability of easy house shots, and, to be honest, given my modest honor score count - 3 300s, 1 800 - I'm not even all that good at that! I give myself credit for two things. One, I do know the game. I understand ball motion, ball prep (surface, layouts, etc.), lane play, adjustments, etc. better than most people. Sadly, I just don't have a strong enough physical game to execute the shots that I know need to be thrown. Two, and this is far more important, I actually know where I stand in the bowling hierarchy, and it's way, way, way down the totem pole. I am self aware. That's something too many bowlers aren't, and those sound like the ones who are frustrating you, Gizmo.

Don't waste your time trying to prove to the world that Bowler X really sucks when he and his cronies think he's a God. It's pointless, and, to be honest, they're probably not hurting anyone. The bowlers, like you, who know better will just be laughing at them anyhow, and the bowlers who don't know better, well, they never will!

You're absolutely right, of course.  It's just that these kinds of bowlers are the reason we have nothing tougher in our area, and subsequently don't realize if there were tougher shots around, they'd do better at tournaments out of town.  These are the people who think they know something and come into our shop and start answering everyone's questions with totally wrong information.  The industry is creating less and less knowledgeable bowlers who in hurting them in return.  These are the same people who don't understand that the very same layout on a ball will put the fingerholes in different places for different bowler's pap measurements.  But when the "local pro" with a 5 over and 1/2 up pap sends a buddy in to get the same ball drilled the same way who has a 4 over and 1 up pap, sees that the fingers are in a different place, all the sudden it becomes the pro shop operator's mistake. "Oh wow, that guy really screwed up, look at where your fingers are at and look at where mine are at, that's totally wrong."  There's never even the slightest consideration in that guy's mind that, "well gee, I just throw the ball, and the pro shop guy is certified and has a decade's worth of experience drilling, maybe he knows something I don't."  Have to fight that kind of thinking every day.  The same guy will also be out there telling everybody "gotta watch these lanes, their oil sucks, it breaks down really fast," while he's using an OOB surface Sync.  Guess after this long I'm just programmed to try to set the record straight whether it's pointless or not.  Just find it funny that the bowlers that everybody is catering to are the ones that are killing the industry . .
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2013, 03:25:57 PM »
Well, I can certainly appreciate the greater sense of frustration from the pro shop operator side of things. It's striking - no pun intended - just how clueless many bowlers are in terms of layouts, ball motion, etc.

We have an older guy in our area who is a classic. He's actually been a pretty good player - house shot-wise - for a lot of years. He maintains a good average and has shot plenty of honor scores. He doesn't have much hand, so he just plays hard and straight up the outside. Well, he always felt that he couldn't generate enough hook or power due to his medium to lower rev rate, so he was always looking for the next big-hooking ball to help him out. Well, for a while, he'd buy every new "heavy oil" ball the market could offer. Now, that would've been fine if he were willing to take a giant step or two toward the middle of the lane so that the ball could encounter some oil and allow him to do something he wasn't able to do before. Sadly, he wouldn't do that. Instead, he wanted to throw those balls from the same place he'd thrown every other ball for the last 30 years. Yep, he'd throw the oil monster up or outside of 5, where the ball would immediately encounter friction, lose every ounce of energy, and roll out. Then, he'd complain to anyone who would listen that the ball was a piece of junk that doesn't hook! At that point, he'd usually sell it for a 1/4 of what he paid for it. It was sad and hillarious at the same time.

Sadly, that is the case with a large percentage of the bowling public. That's why you still see so many posts on here talking about how someone has a Tropical Breeze that's hooking coast to coast, and their Sync won't hook at all. Most people just don't get it, and they never will!

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2013, 08:22:31 AM »
My center, we have the cry babies!! The 200 + guys, who sook when things don't work out their way... I bowled tonight, and heard a few guys who I know complain about the lanes.. blah blah... If these guys only realised that most of it comes down to them solely.. and yes, u have to move, not just in the initial line up, but throughout your league... It's funny, cause they think they can stand on such an such board all night... Move your feet, try a different line, change balls, do SOMETHING!!!

I would love to bowl at my center on a sports shot, i'm a 200+ however, the better bowlers couldn't handle this.. It would never get enough interest,, I remember one "big dog" went in a national tournie, came last with a 170 ave... Hello!! time to look at your bowling , and where u really sit..

I think alienating the existing house bowlers is plain dumb! Your center, my center needs them, if there was only a "real uniformed " sports shot, that somehow we can entice these bowlers into, with a regional tournie, then leading onto a national tournament (keep it amataur only), might wake people up...

If it were mandatory for every center to have USBC certification, which really means that every center has to have 1 "sports" or PBA patterned league, basically a tough shot, to have ANY THS honour score recognised, thus giving any honour score from this sports league special significance then that would be a start... I love my 300, but bowling on a "sports" shot, well hey, that would be even better..

As Gene said, laugh at these ignorant bowlers to yourself, because it really is laughable.. Peoples over inflated egos and vanity...

I say leave your THS alone!! Seriously, let people have their big scores, but to add in every center a "new special" league with a consistantly tougher shot must be the way to go, in order to improve the house bowler...Thus helping bridge the gap between THS and competitive tournie bowler... There are problems sadly with the lack of interest, bowlers sooking it up when they shoot sub 600 series..

The thing that really frustrates me with THS bowlers, is the sense of entitlement... It kills me. I expect to ave 200+, cause my skills are ok, nothing special, but generally ok, and improving ( if I don't then I know 99% of time, it's down to ME and ME ALONE), however many, many high ave bowlers simply cannot fathom the concept of them walking out of their center with a 185 ave.. It's the lanes, not me!!! I can count on one hand , the times when the lanes were that butchered up over the last 13 years that I have been bowling, that perhaps the THS bowler has reason to complain....Rest of the time it comes down to OPERATOR ERROR!!!!

Sorry gripe over...