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Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« on: March 04, 2013, 07:49:05 AM »
I recently wrote a letter to USBC concerning my opinions on the current state of bowling that I thought I'd share with everyone.  I actually got a response, and just about word for word what I expected, but at least an actual human read my letter and replied.  Here is the letter, their response, and then I'll finish up:

This is an open letter to whom it may concern reflecting my opinions and comments regarding the state of bowling as a whole as well as a widely perceived view on how the USBC is only serving to further destroy the sport so many of us love and have already begun to mourn.  I will however begin by saying that the USBC Open Championships represents everything that is right with the sport of bowling.  The challenge, the venues, the organization, the execution, the resources, etc., every part of "Nationals" is so expertly crafted that even some of the best bowlers in the world make a point to come compete.  That, unfortunately, is where it ends, and could one day be lost as bowling as a whole continues to decline.  It is incredibly irresponsible of USBC to be so out of touch with league bowling, the very foundation of the sport.  I read a published article regarding fresh oil for every squad at the 2013 Open Championships, finally correcting the only problem I believe the event had.  It referenced a quote from someone regarding having one pattern for the team event and a different pattern for singles and doubles, effectively saying that USBC wanted to challenge their bowlers' versatility.  I found it to be one of the most hypocritical statements or comments I have ever come across.  USBC's specifications and limits regarding legal lane conditions are so wide open that thousands of league bowlers who never practice can show up to league once a week, shoot 750 with the only ball they own, and go home without so much as a thought.  These are the same people that post 230+ averages during the league season, only to show up to the Open Championships to shoot 1500 for all events, and go home with their tails between their legs.  The idea that making tighter restrictions on lane conditions would only serve to further drive away bowlers and hurt revenue for center owners is ludicrous, as USBC membership has fallen from approximately 9 million to 1.7 million in a little over a decade, corresponding with ever increasing numbers of "honor scores" and member averages.  When scoring was harder, people spent money practicing, centers were full for early AND late leagues every night of the week.  This has made the future for our youth bowlers dismal, and has driven away the majority of the truly skilled bowlers.  The quality of coaches has declined, combined with the fact that it's impossible to convince a kid they made a bad shot even though they struck.  If youth bowlers are putting up numbers on easy shots, they believe they are good, and become hard to coach.  Then when they start competing in Junior Gold or PBA Experience leagues, they become discouraged fast, and when they are ready to be coached, more often than not, their game has to be completely torn down and rebuilt.  There was a youth in my city recently who shot his "first" 800.  He is not skilled, and not accurate.  He is a no thumb bowler who simply throws a lot of revs and a lot of speed, and on a legal USBC pattern, all he really has to do is keep the ball right of the headpin to strike.  This past summer, he, like a lot of the city high school bowlers, joined our summer PBA Experience league.  He proceeded to shoot 354 for the entire 3 game set the first night of league on the Cheetah pattern, following which he packed up his equipment and never came back.  This is the kind of bowler the USBC is creating.  I used to believe my "accomplishments" were earned and worth something, now I realize they aren't worth any more than the metal the rings are made out of, which is in fact so cheap that they are impossible to resize.  All my work, my effort, what I've learned, it's all meaningless.  I have been a pro shop operator for 7 years now, and I would consider my knowledge, experience, and skill to be very high, yet the process of selecting a ball, watching the bowler, and crafting a layout and surface prep for most USBC sanctioned lane conditions is needless.  I can pick any ball off the wall, "label" drill it, never touch the surface, put holes in it, and whoever I drill it for will be "successful."  People in their 60's and 70's are reaching scores they have never seen before.  It's more surprising to hear that someone has NOT achieved "perfection" now than to hear that they have.  USBC is supposed to be the governing body for sanctioned competition, but all it serves to do is drive people elsewhere for real competition or real challenge.  Bowling is no longer a sport, or even a game, it is a recreation, where people gather in attempts to record obscene numbers or merely occupy them while they drink and socialize.  Any activity that requires zero practice and little effort to achieve "perfection" will eventually cease to exist.  I have put my life into bowling, and in turn it nearly became my life, but no longer.  I am ashamed to be a USBC member, and to be associated with the laughingstock that this recreation of sanctioned bowling has become.  The amount of money and time that has to be put into obtaining "available" coaching certifications, or to attend "available" tournaments or events is staggering, and the opportunity to prepare for these things doesn't exist for most of us.  The USBC is turning a blind, uncaring, ignorant eye to the most important things in bowling, while raising sanction fees at the same time.  Charging me admission to view the destruction of a sport I have put my life into is unacceptable.  For the first time in several years, I will not attend the Open Championships, simply because I have zero opportunities to practice on tougher conditions to prepare in the months leading up to the tournament.  The attitude the USBC has towards the sport is wholly irresponsible.  I can serve my kids cake for supper, but make vegetables available, which do you think they will choose?  Bowling is not on the rise, it continues to fall, and the focus and effort is completely in the wrong direction.  Making coaching and affordable equipment available and teaching a golfer how to putt makes little difference if the greens they play on funnel down towards the hole.  The USBC is singularly to blame for the current state of bowling, and it disgusts me.  Thank you for your time.

The response:
I appreciate your feedback and your membership. Your email illustrates a challenging issue the industry faces. USBC’s role in controlling lane conditions are a controversial subject and one that draws out many strong opinions. While you make a good argument for a mandating lower scoring lane conditions, there are enforcement and compliance challenges on the other side. USBC’s Sport Bowling program attempts to provide an option for those bowlers/centers who want the challenge you seek. I realize this is not a perfect solution as many communities do not have a center that offers Sport Bowling leagues.

 

I respect your passion for the sport and have no doubt your opinions come from a desire to improve bowling. I do want to clarify your implication that USBC has been raising dues. USBC national dues are $10 and have not increased since 2006.

 

Thank you for taking the time to write.

 

Best regards,

Jason Overstreet

USBC Communications


First of all regarding the league dues, a few years ago our dues rose from $15 to $17, apparently our local association raised their fee and blamed it on USBC, so I wasn't very happy about that, I definitely would not have stuck that in my letter if I'd have known.  The point of the letter wasn't to throw USBC under the bus, but this is honestly the way I believe it is.  I knew I would get something back about the challenges of enforcement, but here's the deal.  The USBC let it get out of control years ago when they were more concerned about an ounce of sideweight in a ball than about the ball itself, or about regulating the oil patterns.  The PBA figured this out 15 or more years ago, why didn't the USBC?  So maybe the current people in power at the USBC didn't have anything to do with it, but the organization itself is completely responsible.  Regarding the challenges though, as I said in the letter, I've worked in the bowling industry for 7 years now, I very well understand all the challenges and issues, I'm not just writing the letter crying about things without having a very knowledgeable and objective viewpoint.  Honestly though, they're going to have to do something, and here's the real point of contention.  Center owners will fight tougher conditions because they think they'll lose business.  Well, they have already lost business for years.  A real simple solution here, make conditions tougher for the sanctioned leagues.  If you don't want a tougher shot, don't bowl a sanctioned league.  What does sanctioning really do for you?  Gives you some trinkets, and allows you to use your average in tournaments for potential handicap.  People wouldn't quit bowling if they were told their league wouldn't be sanctioned, they would see it as a way to save fees every year.  Most people don't bowl tournaments anymore.  But of course, this would really hurt the USBC.  So instead of really governing the sport and enforcing the rules, they're content to just let things slip away while they say, "oh, well we offer a bunch of stuff."  Rant off. 
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #91 on: April 03, 2013, 05:18:00 PM »
Nice to see Dong Daddy making friends on all the bowling boards.

Wow, a troll following me from another website.  Now that's dedication.  Don't see you on the other board.  Did they wise up and kick you off for putting too many people to sleep with your droning?  Your brand of blandness should do well here.

Um, thought you were done here?  You said toodles and everything.

Gosh, I said toodles?  Cut back on the meds and you'd be able to comprehend what is written better.  Of course, you do that, than you go off tangent even more.  I'll help you out....I clearly said I had made my point to you about your wonderful letter and the fantastic feedback it merited from USBC.  Toodles was meant to you and that topic.
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #92 on: April 04, 2013, 02:50:37 AM »
Gizmo, first I want to say you put together a nice letter. Your points are very well stated. However  :D , a few things to consider.


First, the USBC doesn't have as much control over conditions as you'd like to think. House owners call the shots, and there is nothing that's going to change that. Owners are motivated by cash income. Right or wrong, their primary motivation is happy customers who buy lots of alcohol and food. They believe this is best accomplished when customers throw strikes. The ringing of the cash register will aways rank higher than honest lane conditions. I have a friend who owns several centers. He'll go to unsanctioned leagues in a minute if the USBC tries to turn screws on him. The USBC knows this too, so they dance around the issue. They don't have many options here.


Second, you're buying into this notion that unskilled hacks with the latest and greatest technology can compete with skilled bowlers on the THS. This just isn't the case. Anybody can have their moment of fame. But skill prevails over the long run. I bowl in a few top notch THS scratch leagues, and the skilled always end up at the top. Don't get caught up focusing on what "one night wonders" occasionally pull out of the hat.


The THS can be an excellent place to hone skills if you approach it properly. Learn how to use plastic to convert all spare combinations. This is a skill that transfers to any and all conditions, no matter how tough. Practicing hitting the same mark over and over can be done on any pattern. You should know how successful you are regardless of lane pattern. If you miss and still get a cheap strike, who cares? You know you missed. Learn from it.


If you don't have access to sport leagues or sport tournaments, use your influence as a proshop operator to get challenge conditions laid down on a few lanes during slow times. It shouldn't be that hard. Right now, the primary house I bowl at is putting down the Nationals shot on 4 lanes every Sunday for league participants to prepare.


Opportunities to make things happen are there if you pursue them. Apply the same energy you put into that letter, and good things will emerge.           

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #93 on: April 04, 2013, 07:11:21 AM »
Gizmo, first I want to say you put together a nice letter. Your points are very well stated. However  :D , a few things to consider.


First, the USBC doesn't have as much control over conditions as you'd like to think. House owners call the shots, and there is nothing that's going to change that. Owners are motivated by cash income. Right or wrong, their primary motivation is happy customers who buy lots of alcohol and food. They believe this is best accomplished when customers throw strikes. The ringing of the cash register will aways rank higher than honest lane conditions. I have a friend who owns several centers. He'll go to unsanctioned leagues in a minute if the USBC tries to turn screws on him. The USBC knows this too, so they dance around the issue. They don't have many options here.


Second, you're buying into this notion that unskilled hacks with the latest and greatest technology can compete with skilled bowlers on the THS. This just isn't the case. Anybody can have their moment of fame. But skill prevails over the long run. I bowl in a few top notch THS scratch leagues, and the skilled always end up at the top. Don't get caught up focusing on what "one night wonders" occasionally pull out of the hat.


The THS can be an excellent place to hone skills if you approach it properly. Learn how to use plastic to convert all spare combinations. This is a skill that transfers to any and all conditions, no matter how tough. Practicing hitting the same mark over and over can be done on any pattern. You should know how successful you are regardless of lane pattern. If you miss and still get a cheap strike, who cares? You know you missed. Learn from it.


If you don't have access to sport leagues or sport tournaments, use your influence as a proshop operator to get challenge conditions laid down on a few lanes during slow times. It shouldn't be that hard. Right now, the primary house I bowl at is putting down the Nationals shot on 4 lanes every Sunday for league participants to prepare.


Opportunities to make things happen are there if you pursue them. Apply the same energy you put into that letter, and good things will emerge.           
Well said Steven

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #94 on: April 04, 2013, 09:09:29 AM »
So I guess that's it. Steven's point is the real situation. The only way a more challenging shot is going happen, is having the customers demand it.

What a sad state we have in this sport. Highly competitive bowlers across the country, preferring to take the Easy Street. They like the warm feeling of strikes, to show how good they are, and when they don't get their "highly deserved strikes" they whine and threaten to quit. Right there is why this sport is a joke.

My whole stance on this isn't about shoving tougher patterns down peoples throats. It's about getting things to change. Let's change the mindset. As competitors, as league bowlers, we should want a condition that provides a challenge. Where good execution is rewarded with strikes and poor execution is not (or at least reduce the percentage).  This Easy Condition has watered down bowling.
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2013, 09:31:18 AM »
My stance is that bowling as a sport is too far down the road of easy conditions and ever-higher scoring to ever turn back without losing a huge percentage of bowlers.  The game is what it is right now and I can't see how toughening the conditions and thus reducing the scoring will ever be the answer.  All sports evolve over time and bowling is no different.

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #96 on: April 05, 2013, 07:58:55 AM »
Yes I don't get it.  Don't the best bowlers like the challenge of the toughest conditions?

So I guess that's it. Steven's point is the real situation. The only way a more challenging shot is going happen, is having the customers demand it.

What a sad state we have in this sport. Highly competitive bowlers across the country, preferring to take the Easy Street. They like the warm feeling of strikes, to show how good they are, and when they don't get their "highly deserved strikes" they whine and threaten to quit. Right there is why this sport is a joke.

My whole stance on this isn't about shoving tougher patterns down peoples throats. It's about getting things to change. Let's change the mindset. As competitors, as league bowlers, we should want a condition that provides a challenge. Where good execution is rewarded with strikes and poor execution is not (or at least reduce the percentage).  This Easy Condition has watered down bowling.

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #97 on: April 05, 2013, 08:34:27 AM »
Gizmo, first I want to say you put together a nice letter. Your points are very well stated. However  :D , a few things to consider.


First, the USBC doesn't have as much control over conditions as you'd like to think. House owners call the shots, and there is nothing that's going to change that. Owners are motivated by cash income. Right or wrong, their primary motivation is happy customers who buy lots of alcohol and food. They believe this is best accomplished when customers throw strikes. The ringing of the cash register will aways rank higher than honest lane conditions. I have a friend who owns several centers. He'll go to unsanctioned leagues in a minute if the USBC tries to turn screws on him. The USBC knows this too, so they dance around the issue. They don't have many options here.


Second, you're buying into this notion that unskilled hacks with the latest and greatest technology can compete with skilled bowlers on the THS. This just isn't the case. Anybody can have their moment of fame. But skill prevails over the long run. I bowl in a few top notch THS scratch leagues, and the skilled always end up at the top. Don't get caught up focusing on what "one night wonders" occasionally pull out of the hat.


The THS can be an excellent place to hone skills if you approach it properly. Learn how to use plastic to convert all spare combinations. This is a skill that transfers to any and all conditions, no matter how tough. Practicing hitting the same mark over and over can be done on any pattern. You should know how successful you are regardless of lane pattern. If you miss and still get a cheap strike, who cares? You know you missed. Learn from it.


If you don't have access to sport leagues or sport tournaments, use your influence as a proshop operator to get challenge conditions laid down on a few lanes during slow times. It shouldn't be that hard. Right now, the primary house I bowl at is putting down the Nationals shot on 4 lanes every Sunday for league participants to prepare.


Opportunities to make things happen are there if you pursue them. Apply the same energy you put into that letter, and good things will emerge.         

All good points, and I completely agree.  I do however already realize these things.  It was already going to be a long letter, and I'd have spent more time explaining the things and angles that I already understood or knew.  The USBC let it get out of control a long time ago.  There are still certain restrictions and requirements for lane conditions under USBC guidelines (which I know you know), or else there wouldn't be a reason to tape the lanes, but they're super wide open.  As the game progressed, USBC didn't keep up with it.  Everybody wants high scores now, and the benefits of being sanctioned and having a USBC card now are virtually invisible.  If you shoot 300 in an unsanctioned league, nobody is going to look at it any differently, they're just going to complain about the USBC trying to screw people over by changing the rules.  So yes, the USBC has put themselves in a terrible position, and they know that.  But once again, they're sacrificing the game's integrity for money.  Being in the business, I understand the business side of the industry too.  Losing bowlers right now isn't an option. 

To your second point, it's not the 170 average bowlers I have the issue with.  And actually, if tougher conditions were implemented, the bowlers under 180 wouldn't really be affected, they're just honestly not accurate enough to see a difference.  It's the 220ish averages.  In our scratch league here, 90% of the league is over 220 on a house shot.  Here's my problem.  Some guys are "consistent" enough to throw it about the same speed with about the same revs and can keep it in a 4-5 board area, but some of the guys are very accurate with pinpoint speed and rev control and can keep it within 2 boards all night.  Bob Benoit bowls here, and he's been shooting 700s with plastic, and yeah, he wins more than he loses, but if the shot gets tougher, Bob will still be shooting 700s with plastic, while the other guys fall from 220 to 190 and really out of contention.  It's like shooting free throws.  I guarantee if you made the rim wider, all the 60%+ free throw shooters would go up pretty significantly, but if you have guys that are already shooting 90%, they aren't gonna go up much, there's just nowhere to go.  Guys like Bob who have devoted their entire lives to bowling, have been successful on a professional or national level, and who are still very accurate shouldn't be losing as often as they do.  Some people will say "well it's still pretty hard for a lot of us," and yes, I get that, but that's not what I'm talking about and has never been what I'm talking about.  I'll never be a scratch golfer, so the whole long putter short putter thing doesn't affect me, but I get the concept and can see why it's an issue for the professionals.  The same concept applies here.  Bob, even at 55, should still be dominating.  He recently shot his 70th 300, but with these conditions, he's lost in the pack of 225-230 averages, winning maybe 6 or 7 out of 10 games.  He would be winning 9 out of 10 games on tougher conditions.  This is my point.  So yes, there's something to be said for being able to average 220, but I still don't think that being able to hit a 4-5 board area consistently is really THAT good.  Yes, it definitely reflects a decent amount of skill and experience, but the parity among the higher averages just isn't what it should be.  Bob should be walking away with a ton of money every year, but he doesn't make near what he should, because some of these 200 guys just need to carry the extra 10 or trip the extra 4, and they're in the 250s or 260s, and if Bob gets tapped a couple times, that's the game, instead of the flat 10 being a bucket and the trip 4 being a big 4 for the other guy, and taps just being taps for Bob.  So yes, the better bowlers still win the majority of the time, but the ratio isn't near what it should be. 

And I suppose there's certain things you can get done on a house shot, but not having the reaction be what it should be in certain parts of the lane can throw other things off besides just hitting boards where they should be hit.  There's differences in midlane read, roll, backend transition, skid through the heads depending on where you're playing, all of which has to be adjusted to on the fly instantly if you go to a tougher tournament, not to mention the mental aspects of it.  Pros don't practice on house shots for a reason, if it was all the same, it wouldn't matter. 

My efforts are already spread pretty thin at the moment.  I have recently joined our city association board.  I am part of the group that does lane certification and condition taping.  I have a full time job and work part time in the pro shop.  I bowl two nights a week.  I have a wife and two kids.  I have recently finished writing a pro shop seminar in an effort to bridge the gap between the bowler and pro shop operator that covers everything from proper fit to ball dynamics to lane conditions that I hope to start offering here in the next month or two.  I've been a very vocal supporter of tougher conditions and had a part in starting the PBA league we have here every summer, and I am constantly talking people into bowling it every year to keep it going.  I'm doing all I can, and I have a little bit of help, but there's a lot of people who have gotten sick of fighting, so they just gave up and quit. 

So people can call me a snob, or an elitist, or whatever, but it doesn't matter what skill level you are, you are still allowed to want a challenge.  I'm a bogey golfer on easy courses, but I don't like playing them.  I don't like slicing a drive and not getting penalized for it because there's no rough.  I don't like playing a course with no trees and no sand and no water.  I don't like flat greens.  I don't like 130 yard par 3s or 450 yard par 5s.  I don't think me tying Tiger Woods with a par on a 130 yard par 3 means a dang thing, and everyone would agree with me on that, so why people can't get the correlation with bowling doesn't make any sense. 
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #98 on: April 05, 2013, 08:36:44 AM »
My stance is that bowling as a sport is too far down the road of easy conditions and ever-higher scoring to ever turn back without losing a huge percentage of bowlers.  The game is what it is right now and I can't see how toughening the conditions and thus reducing the scoring will ever be the answer.  All sports evolve over time and bowling is no different.

Yes, that's a given, but this is de-evolution, not evolution.  Yes, bowling is pretty well lost as a competitive sport, but doing surgery now would be better than keeping it on life support until it loses absolutely everything. 
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« Reply #99 on: April 05, 2013, 08:39:12 AM »
Nice to see Dong Daddy making friends on all the bowling boards.

Wow, a troll following me from another website.  Now that's dedication.  Don't see you on the other board.  Did they wise up and kick you off for putting too many people to sleep with your droning?  Your brand of blandness should do well here.

Um, thought you were done here?  You said toodles and everything.

Gosh, I said toodles?  Cut back on the meds and you'd be able to comprehend what is written better.  Of course, you do that, than you go off tangent even more.  I'll help you out....I clearly said I had made my point to you about your wonderful letter and the fantastic feedback it merited from USBC.  Toodles was meant to you and that topic.

Yes, you clearly stated all this, yet I was still able to effortlessly bait you into coming back for more.  You really ought to make it tougher, this just isn't much fun. 
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #100 on: April 05, 2013, 09:19:19 AM »
I didn't state best bowlers. I stated "highly competitve". I know many competitve bowlers in my area that have no interest in anything but THS. If the word "Sport" comes up, they are not interested in bowling.

Case in point. Tried to get a summer league going one year. Decided it should be non sanction and have a Sport shot. Half that were interested in bowling the summer were no longer interested. One stated I am not coming in here every week to shoot 160 - 180 games. So we have guys willing to bowl for money, carry a decent average league, but faced with challenging condition, chooses the door.
 

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #101 on: April 05, 2013, 09:59:51 AM »
To the poster who commented about Bob Benoit and that he should win 9 out of 10 every time.

You are probably right, he should.  However, I would say, once he started dominating  brackets, or tournaments at that level, at least in our area, there would be none for him to dominate as no one would get in.

Case in point, we have a traveling tournament team of 10 guys.  Normally when we bowl team event, we have 3-5 guys that will get in $100 of brackets each.  This year when we walked into a squad in a certain tournament, we see most of team USA is bowling on our squad.  We all got in $20 worth of brackets.  We won nothing. 

We know we are on the 2nd tier.  Why donate to their profits?

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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #102 on: April 05, 2013, 10:03:51 AM »
I didn't state best bowlers. I stated "highly competitve". I know many competitve bowlers in my area that have no interest in anything but THS. If the word "Sport" comes up, they are not interested in bowling.

Case in point. Tried to get a summer league going one year. Decided it should be non sanction and have a Sport shot. Half that were interested in bowling the summer were no longer interested. One stated I am not coming in here every week to shoot 160 - 180 games. So we have guys willing to bowl for money, carry a decent average league, but faced with challenging condition, chooses the door.

Yeah, I wasn't replying to you, but you just exactly stated the point.  I don't get this mentality.  I have zero fun shooting 250 games, because it's just another game, it doesn't mean anything.  On a house shot, if it's not 300 or 800, it doesn't matter.  However, I have tons of fun shooting even 220 on a tough shot, because it feels like I earned it.  I've got plenty of rings, but what I consider to be my top 2 accomplishments are my 279-723 in singles at Nationals a couple years ago, and 297-745 on the US Open pattern in our summer PBA league last year.  Those scores on a house shot are completely unimpressive, I shot 722 last night and was actually pretty disappointed because my second game was rough.  And I'm sure everybody will get on here and say, "oh wow, shooting 700 must be so terrible, you must think you're so good if you're not happy with that."  But if you listen to my POINT, it's not the score that matters, it's how you feel about that score, and I feel tons better about shooting 200 on a tough shot than I do about 250 on an easy one. 
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #103 on: April 05, 2013, 10:09:50 AM »
To the poster who commented about Bob Benoit and that he should win 9 out of 10 every time.

You are probably right, he should.  However, I would say, once he started dominating  brackets, or tournaments at that level, at least in our area, there would be none for him to dominate as no one would get in.

Case in point, we have a traveling tournament team of 10 guys.  Normally when we bowl team event, we have 3-5 guys that will get in $100 of brackets each.  This year when we walked into a squad in a certain tournament, we see most of team USA is bowling on our squad.  We all got in $20 worth of brackets.  We won nothing. 

We know we are on the 2nd tier.  Why donate to their profits?

Good point.  But what incentive then is there for you to practice more or for Bob to spend a bunch of time maintaining skills that gain him nothing?  I'm DEFINITELY not saying I'd throw money into something I knew I didn't have much chance of winning, but honestly I've been doing that more lately.  I'll get into handicap tournaments without having handicap, I'll bowl handicap brackets, I even bowled lefthanded in our scratch league a couple years ago.  Our squad at Nationals always includes a couple teams that annually finish in the top 10 or 20, these guys practice a lot, bowl together, break the lanes down right, and they always win tons of money.  I've NEVER reduced the amount of bracket money I plan on putting in because of that.  If you decide you've already lost or don't want to compete unless you feel like you're guaranteed a win, then that doesn't sound much like competition to me. 
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #104 on: April 05, 2013, 11:25:28 AM »
Gizmo, thanks for the thoughtful response. You brought out some additional good points.


On the USBC, maybe they did help paint themselves into the corner they're currently trapped in. But if you concede that the Bowling Proprietors hold all the cards, it still would be just a matter of time before conditions devolved to the lowest common denominator. In a world where people have hundreds of choices on where to spend time/money vs. the handful they had 30-50 years ago, social rules and behaviors are different. I don't like it either, but some things you can't change.


BTW, I earned my lunch money as a kid being a scorekeeper back in the 'golden' era of the 60's. The myth of board-splitting league super heroes was just that -- a myth. The only real difference between then and now is equipment. Scores across the board were somewhat lower, but otherwise the more things have changed, the more they've stayed to same.


On your example of Bob Benoit, I completely agree with the situation. I proved it going head-to-head with one of the top West Region PBA players the other night, losing series 770-805. I was one stone '8' and two wrapped 10's away from taking him out. I'd like to think I'm better than a 4-5 board area bowler, but still, he can do things with a ball (speed, rotation, angle) that I could never have accomplished in my best days. He knows it, I know it, and everyone in my local bowling playpen knows it. The league averages are "THS" compressed at the higher end of the sheet, but the overall pecking order would be still the same if the conditions were a certified sport compliant. At the end of the day, the true cream are still at the top of the standings, win their share of brackets and side pots, and our bowling world is in alignment. I don't see it as a situation that people would get frustrated and quit over. 


My area in California has lots of opportunities for anyone who wants to test their metal and hone their skills on Sport/PBA shots. Besides the Regional scene, their are any number of sport shot tournaments if you're motivated to make an hour or two drive on weekends. I suspect it the same in most larger population areas. I do understand there are probably smaller areas where things are really limited. Bowling life can suck this way, but the motivated can still make it happen.


When all is said and done, bowling is not suffering because the USBC, but because of societal changes completely out of our control. I'm guessing we're still going to see things different on this, but I do understand your point. Good topic.   
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Re: Letter to USBC Re: the state of bowling
« Reply #105 on: April 05, 2013, 12:31:20 PM »
Gizmo, thanks for the thoughtful response. You brought out some additional good points.


On the USBC, maybe they did help paint themselves into the corner they're currently trapped in. But if you concede that the Bowling Proprietors hold all the cards, it still would be just a matter of time before conditions devolved to the lowest common denominator. In a world where people have hundreds of choices on where to spend time/money vs. the handful they had 30-50 years ago, social rules and behaviors are different. I don't like it either, but some things you can't change.


BTW, I earned my lunch money as a kid being a scorekeeper back in the 'golden' era of the 60's. The myth of board-splitting league super heroes was just that -- a myth. The only real difference between then and now is equipment. Scores across the board were somewhat lower, but otherwise the more things have changed, the more they've stayed to same.


On your example of Bob Benoit, I completely agree with the situation. I proved it going head-to-head with one of the top West Region PBA players the other night, losing series 770-805. I was one stone '8' and two wrapped 10's away from taking him out. I'd like to think I'm better than a 4-5 board area bowler, but still, he can do things with a ball (speed, rotation, angle) that I could never have accomplished in my best days. He knows it, I know it, and everyone in my local bowling playpen knows it. The league averages are "THS" compressed at the higher end of the sheet, but the overall pecking order would be still the same if the conditions were a certified sport compliant. At the end of the day, the true cream are still at the top of the standings, win their share of brackets and side pots, and our bowling world is in alignment. I don't see it as a situation that people would get frustrated and quit over. 


My area in California has lots of opportunities for anyone who wants to test their metal and hone their skills on Sport/PBA shots. Besides the Regional scene, their are any number of sport shot tournaments if you're motivated to make an hour or two drive on weekends. I suspect it the same in most larger population areas. I do understand there are probably smaller areas where things are really limited. Bowling life can suck this way, but the motivated can still make it happen.


When all is said and done, bowling is not suffering because the USBC, but because of societal changes completely out of our control. I'm guessing we're still going to see things different on this, but I do understand your point. Good topic.

Good points, and I wasn't around in the 60's haha so I honestly appreciate the perspective.  Bob also made a point a couple years ago when the Tournament of Champions had it's 50 year anniversary.  The PBA invited anyone who had ever won a PBA tournament to come compete.  Bob, who has mind boggling tools in his bag, declined, saying, "I'm not going to go bowl if I can't compete, and I'd have to practice 8 hours a day for the next month and drill 15 new bowling balls before I'd even think about it."  But again, like I said, he's middle of the pack in a league that on a tougher shot he'd lead by 20 pins in average.  This really bothers me. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?