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Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« on: January 07, 2011, 12:14:33 AM »
 Something in another post got the hamPsters in my head running pretty fast about the significance or lack thereof of big scores. I fall in the category of thinking the scores should mean something. Back a few years ago, getting breaks meant you were doing something right. Right area of the lane, paying attention, thinking, etc. Now more often than not somebody just happens across a good matchup with the ball. The good bowlers were consistently up there in score, and while it still took a few breaks, you didnt just walk out and shoot numbers if you were clueless or inconsistent or the percentage was waaaay down. Now its more like a rite of passage. I can shoot a big game or set using experience, thinking, laneplay, paying attention, keeping ahead of transition, but jr thats fresh out of youth leagues can pull the latest and greatest out of his bag and walk up there, hit 3 different arrows, and outscore me. The youth kids in town always talk about "getting their 300," like its owed to them or something. Then the ones that get one go around talking about their "first" 300 like its also a given that they will get more. So do i just need to get over it and realize that its more of a fun thing to get a big score than an actual honor?

Im a perfectionist, and my m.o. so to speak is working hard at something until im significantly better than the average. I dont have to be the best, just in the conversation. And its not being "better" than someone else, its just a nameless faceless number to me. If the average for whats considered a good bowler is 220, i want to average 230. I could care less about recognition and having my name above someone elses on a list, its just a personal goal, i could be the only person on the planet, and if i at least had something to beat, thats good enough for me.

So if the scores by themselves arent enough to say anything, is accumulation of them really anything to talk about either? What is the measure of a good bowler anymore?

That's just like, your opinion, man.

 

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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2011, 01:26:09 PM »

"Honor" depends on your perspective.

 

To the guy who has bowled leagues for 30 years without one, then he finally reaches that summit; it represents a lifetime of trying and deserves to be treated as an honor score.  It is a culmination of a lifetime of trying, and trying, but never giving up. To that person it's definitely an achievement and an honor.
 

I hope I never get to bowl in a place where honor scores are so commonplace that they are expected.

 

This year I'm bowling a 2nd shift league that can get quite toasty and another where the lanes get oiled, and then bowled on by open play before we see them so carry-down can be a challenge.  Nothing easy for me at either league, but if/when I bowl well I actually feel a sense of accomplishment.  Both leagues are providing adequate challenges to keep me interested.

 

 


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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2011, 02:10:13 PM »
I don't care what anyone else calls them.  They still mean a lot to a lot of people.  Trust me when I say there are a lot more bowlers out there that will NEVER shoot a 300 or get an 800 series than those that will.  Many of the guys that won't, spend more money on equipment than anyone else you'll ever meet too.

 

 Call it what you will, but I think it's safe to say that instead of having 1 300, the standard is much higher now.  Maybe a 5:1 ratio.  


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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2011, 08:57:17 AM »
i think that it is up to the person to decide.  but me personally im 17 and i feel like it wouldn't be that big of a deal to me to shoot a 300.  if im going to shoot one.  i would like it to be with urathane or for every shot to be in like a less than 4 board miss room.  but yes a 300 is still a 300 no matter how you look at it.  just for me i would like to say it was a great 300, not a lousy 300.
 
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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2011, 09:20:22 AM »
300 is 300...  A home run hit in Yankee Stadium over the 314' fence is still a home run, while a deep fly ball hit down the line towards the 355' fence is Wrigley Field is a long OUT...
 
One seldom sees house bowlers or PRO'S throw 12 perfect pocket shots...Not in the real world... In fact, not even in Mayberry...
 
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1987grandprix wrote on 1/12/2011 9:57 AM:
i think that it is up to the person to decide.  but me personally im 17 and i feel like it wouldn't be that big of a deal to me to shoot a 300.  if im going to shoot one.  i would like it to be with urathane or for every shot to be perfect i, mean perfect.  i mean how would it feel to say this.  "ohh boy i shot 300 hitting my mark 1 time in the entire game".  wheres the honor in that.  thats is how i feel about it.




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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2011, 01:43:12 PM »
i have 2 300's both thrown last yr. they were in 2 different houses. the first was in a scracth tournament (ball Hex-plosion) every shot was dead on in the pocket and for that matter on the 12th as soon as i let go of the ball seeing it was on mark i just waved by by thinking either way i did my part and was consistant with all 12 shots. If i would have been robbed with a 10pin or ect owell it was over.   My 2nd i admit the 11th strike i didn't look at (pulled it bad).  I got the lucky X not sure if it was brooklyn or what but i made sure the 12th hit my marks as the first 10 had.

 

 

The differences in the 2.  the tournament was game 3 and i was too far out to make the cut (first time shooting in it) so i had nothing to loose..ie no nerves...   The later in league and was in my eyes tougher (5 man team X 2 vs tournament 2 people per pair) oil was changing so shot had to change in 1 way or another (speed,loft,line,feet.. ect)

with every shot.  Then there was the nerves of no 300's shot on that league and only 3 in the house (even for being 3/4 of the way thru the winter season).

 

So yes they should still be called honor scores.



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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2011, 03:13:11 PM »
I don't have a problem with them being called an honor score. To me it classifies the score in a certain set.

 

But to be sure the exclusiveness of the scores have gone down and it has become a pretty big club.



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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2011, 03:38:24 PM »
They should most certainly remain "honor" scores.  For all you people that have had multiple 300s and just think there's no big thing about it, contact me, ship your bowling balls to me along with all your gear and go solve world hunger or something.  You obviously dont enjoy the sport anymore.  And I'm sure you're the ones that are super quick to be pissed if someone's kid is anywhere near the pit.  Even if they're well behaved.  You should feel honored that you've been able tho throw a 300.  There was a thread here about a year ago about the chances of a 300 vs a hole in one in golf.  A 300 is much more difficult  Either way, these should remain "honor" scores and those that dont like it...go find something new to do...

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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2011, 04:16:11 PM »
Let us know how you feel when you shoot your first 300, then get back to us.  The fact that you haven't shot 300 and already know "it wouldn't be that big of a deal" shows you still have a lot to learn.  It doesn't matter what ball you use.  It doesn't matter if you bury the pocket, go brooklyn, hit them thin and watch them spin or have 2 messengers take out the 7 and 10 pin.  It is still 12 strikes in a row.
 
The honor in hitting your mark each and every time is a testament to the your practice and consistency on the lanes.   
1987grandprix wrote on 1/12/2011 9:57 AM:
i think that it is up to the person to decide.  but me personally im 17 and i feel like it wouldn't be that big of a deal to me to shoot a 300.  if im going to shoot one.  i would like it to be with urathane or for every shot to be perfect i, mean perfect.  i mean how would it feel to say this.  "ohh boy i shot 300 hitting my mark 1 time in the entire game".  wheres the honor in that.  thats is how i feel about it.




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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2011, 12:22:01 AM »
Yes they should still be honor scores. 300s are not a dime a dozen. As far as the comment on the "shot my first 300" goes, I said same thing back in 1987 when I shot my 1st 300. Still waiting for my 2nd, but it will come. More want that 800 tho.


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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2011, 04:53:35 AM »
I have to say yes I bowl at a nice old wood lane house carry if terrible there hasn't been a 300 in 3 1/2 years

been some 299's  honor scores at this house is a should be called honor  yes can put 12 shots in pocket

but get that 300 is hard maybe not as hard as win a powerball

if you don't get nervous after 10 or 11 in a row yes bowling is to easy at your house.

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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2011, 06:24:59 AM »

I am a 55 year old bowler who began when I was 4, in 1959 (Dad managed a bowling alley) so I've seen many era's of bowling technology and changes. I have bowled multiple 299's and six 300's with numerous 700 and 800's. It is true that bowling today is MUCH easier than at any other time in my 40+ years of participation, however 300's I bowled in the 80's and 90's are no different than in this decade. It still takes skill and luck to accomplish any honor score. (And yes I used the available technology of the different era's) I still feel honored to score well and will always congratulate whomever rolls an honor score. (And I've had a hole in one, and it was MUCH easier to accomplish.)


The technology of today has changed the game, but no more that the technology of the past decades. (rubber to polyester, to reactive, to particle, to who knows what's next, not to mention synthetic lanes and consistant application of conditioner on the lanes.) This is no different than any other major sport. Just look at golf balls and clubs, or tennis rackets, or skis, or aluminum bats.

 

We have a guy in my league we call "Mr. 297". Just two weeks ago he rolled his 5th 297 and he is still looking for that elusive 300. You still have to knock'em all down, so honor the bowlers that can do it no matter "how" they do it.



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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2011, 08:13:07 AM »
There is no question that the resin ball is responsible for the tremendous increase in award scores over the last 20 years ( not so much in average increases ).  I have bowled for 50 years and have 40 300 games.  I only shot about 8 or 9 of them pre resin.  However I still feel like it is a  worthy accomplishment, even on house conditions.   



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Re: Honor scores, should they be called "honor" anymore?
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2011, 01:52:13 PM »
I cant believe what I am reading about a perfect game...

 

I thought it was easy until my center started changing the shot every week.  Appreciate your house as much as possilble until they decide to shut you out because its possible.  Serious bowlers in my center bring about 8 balls because they dont they might face.. 


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