quote:quote:i guess this country( and website ) would be better off in the long run if brunswick had to close down the bowling ball division. that would show them !!!!Why is it that Storm, Ebonite, 900 Global (I'm not including all the other companies that subcontract production to the 3 I just mentioned, but they should be included) can produce bowling balls in the US for a profit, but Brunswick can't?--------------------It IS next year!
quote:i guess this country( and website ) would be better off in the long run if brunswick had to close down the bowling ball division. that would show them !!!!
quote:quote:scotts33, you wouldn't hear me complain if say, storm moved production to korea. nor would you hear me bash someone for buying a korean made ball.dan, to answer your question. there are no watchmakers in this country than can match the quality of a swiss manufacturer like wenger. you've heard of the swiss army knife ? there are only two official makers of this knife in the world, wenger is one of them. they have a division that makes excellent timepieces. buying an american made watch would not be spending your money wisely. my mexican made brunswick c-system 2.5 is also a wise investment. it rolls and carries better than any american made brunswick ball i've had. it's rolling better and carrying better than the american made bowling balls that the other guys in my leagues are using. now, you're going to try and tell me and others how to spend our money ?Um, just...WOW!I'm going to try ONE last time.ABC Corp makes widgets. They are headquartered in the USA. 100% of their production is performed in the USA. 1 widget costs $10.XYZ Inc makes widgets. They are headquartered in Mexico. 100% of their production is performed in Mexico. 1 widget costs $10. Quality is equal.You are in need of widgets. Which company would you buy from?Are you high average in your league? Do you win EVERY single pot in your league? Do you HONESTLY want us to believe that Brunswick is of superior quality? I am not arguing that Brunswick makes good stuff. But so does Storm, Ebonite, 900, etc. Also, all brands have equipment in similar price ranges, true? And fine, you want to use results to determine quality? PBA Points leadersWes Malott- Roto GripRhino Page - StormChris Barnes - ColumbiaTom Smallwood - Independent, but won the World Championship using ColumbiaBill O'Neill - HammerTop 5 guys, not a Brunswick ball to be seen.And FINALLY, please show me where I told others how to spend their money? Once again, you CAN'T. Do you just enjoy putting words in other peoples mouth's, or is that you only argument? I said SOME OF US WHEN GIVEN A CHOICE BETWEEN TWO COMPARABLE PRODUCTS WILL BUY THE PRODUCT MADE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If you want to buy products made in Switzerland, Mexico, Thailand...where ever, that is YOUR choice. But some of us choose to voice our displeasure with companies leaving the US with our wallets!--------------------It IS next year!
quote:scotts33, you wouldn't hear me complain if say, storm moved production to korea. nor would you hear me bash someone for buying a korean made ball.dan, to answer your question. there are no watchmakers in this country than can match the quality of a swiss manufacturer like wenger. you've heard of the swiss army knife ? there are only two official makers of this knife in the world, wenger is one of them. they have a division that makes excellent timepieces. buying an american made watch would not be spending your money wisely. my mexican made brunswick c-system 2.5 is also a wise investment. it rolls and carries better than any american made brunswick ball i've had. it's rolling better and carrying better than the american made bowling balls that the other guys in my leagues are using. now, you're going to try and tell me and others how to spend our money ?
quote:Brunswick had most of the best bowlers in the game at one time and cut ties with all of them except PB3 and maybe a few others. They aren't as heavily invested in the PBA from what I have observed because there is little to no money in the PBA. Thats why you don't see actual commercials for new bowling balls on tv with bowling any more because the viewer base and interest is not there. A good question would be how many staffed guys do they have at a tour event compared to the other companies? Do you think the ball matters if your Chris Barnes, Walter Ray, Norm Duke, or whomever? There was a Brunswick poster in the 90s that had their women and man tour players and it covered most of the best in the game and had maybe 30 people on it. They obviously knew a long time ago that the PBA was a sinking ship because they got rid of all of them.--------------------" men lie, women lie, numbers don't "
quote:Thrownxs,Typical response from you...."I have no reason to defend Lane #1". You have a very short memory. You just have before and will do so in the future, I''''m sure. No credibility. You think it''''s okay to use a ball made by non-union people at a lower wage than what the people in Muskegon made. You want to justify it by saying it''''s still in the States? Go right ahead, junior. Funny how people justify things in their minds. I support Brunswick Corporation. I am glad they stayed in the business of making bowling balls when they couldn''''t be competitive in Michigan anymore. Keep watching the other companies, they''''ll move sooner or later. I''''m sure you were first in line to boycott centers that quit using made in U.S. bowling pins as more and more of that business went to China and Mexico. Yeah, I''''ll bet you did. I''''m sure you go up to your local bowling center manager and mechanic and ask them if they use genuine AMF and Brunswick parts or do they save money and buy the "off brand" parts made off-shore. I''''ll bet you walk right out when they tell you that they do use the cheaper parts. Sure you do. Like I said, you''''ve got no credibility and your total hypocrisy on the matter puts you to shame. Sorry for lying and saying my other post was the last. Your ignorance just couldn''''t be ignored.Edited on 1/12/2010 2:32 PMEdited on 1/12/2010 2:33 PM
quote:quote:You see I have no control over what pins the center purchases or parts they use, but I''m sure they do try to use parts made in America when they can. Why because they realize it is the working people that are able to spend money in their establishment. You truly are naive and precious, aren''t you? And if you feel you are getting "bullied" over the internet, well, you''re more hopeless than I originally thought. By the way, when you actually ask a question that is relevant and worthy of being answered, I''ll be the first to respond. Toodles.Edited on 1/12/2010 6:15 PM
quote:You see I have no control over what pins the center purchases or parts they use, but I''m sure they do try to use parts made in America when they can. Why because they realize it is the working people that are able to spend money in their establishment.
quote:quote:Brunswick had most of the best bowlers in the game at one time and cut ties with all of them except PB3 and maybe a few others. They aren't as heavily invested in the PBA from what I have observed because there is little to no money in the PBA. Thats why you don't see actual commercials for new bowling balls on tv with bowling any more because the viewer base and interest is not there. A good question would be how many staffed guys do they have at a tour event compared to the other companies? Do you think the ball matters if your Chris Barnes, Walter Ray, Norm Duke, or whomever? There was a Brunswick poster in the 90s that had their women and man tour players and it covered most of the best in the game and had maybe 30 people on it. They obviously knew a long time ago that the PBA was a sinking ship because they got rid of all of them.--------------------" men lie, women lie, numbers don't "I completely agree. I believe it's more about the Indian than the Arrow. My point was Gregg wanted to say that his Brunswick stuff rolls so much better than all the other equipment. I just found the easiest results I could.Brunswick makes good stuff, but they are not better than any of the other companies IMO. I believe if you are comparing quality, all the major players are basically equal. If you compare prices, all the major players again are basically equal. Some people care where a product is made. Others don't. For those of us that care, since price and quality are equal, the deciding factor is where the product is made.--------------------It IS next year!
