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mswitz88

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Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Rotation
« on: August 12, 2013, 07:55:17 AM »
Does anyone have tips or tricks for playing deeper inside the lane on a THS for someone who has very little axis tilt? My THS burns the track out very quickly and it would be advantageous to be able to get deeper inside of everyone else but I struggle to carry and even get the pocket consistently from deeper inside. I have medium revs (I'd guess low 300rpm range) but throw right up the back of the ball and have a very high track near the finger/thumb holes. This doesn't lend itself to giving me a good entry angle when I try to move inside. The ball usually straightens out at the break point and comes into the pocket with little to no entry angle which just plain doesn't carry. Anyone know of articles about how to fix this issue? Ways to change hand position at release that would give me more axis tilt without "spinning" the ball? Thanks for the advice!
« Last Edit: August 14, 2013, 07:50:20 AM by mswitz88 »
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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 09:18:51 AM »
I would practice the deeper inside line with the ball that gives you the best look and adjust surface. Try polish, surface + polish, and just plain surface. Talk with your driller about a layout, surface, and ball that can help. Reading an article can be helpful but it doesn't beat coaching and practice.
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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 10:48:20 AM »
I have a very low axis rotation ( I think you are referring to axis rotation, not tilt ), and my best shot is often deep inside.  The key to playing deep inside with a more end over end roll is to not try to loop the ball real wide, like the high rev guys do.  Try to keep the break point down lane inside of 10 board.  This preserves your rotational energy.  Most people don't understand that it is not entry angle so much as the release of rotational energy the minimizes deflection to enhance carry.  A good example of what I am talking about is the way the guys played the Badger 52 foot pattern.  They were playing what we use to call fall back from 3rd or 4th arrow.  you can't play quite that straight on house patterns that are typically 10 feet shorter, but you can still play tighter than you think you can by hugging the oil line through the heads.  Also use pearl balls with strong layouts for the deep shots. 

Bottom line, move deep and use the hold area of the inside oil rather than trying to exploit the dry boards.  Do this and low axis rotation becomes an asset rather than a liability on deep shots. 
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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 11:37:43 AM »
Any ability to increase axis rotation with your release (around the side more)?  This will promote the skid/flip type of reaction.
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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2013, 11:45:31 AM »
If you want to increase your axis rotation ( side roll ), try setting your hand with your thumb at 1 oclock.  Don't consciously circle the ball, your hand will come around to increase the axis rotation.  Circling the ball lowers your track and increases your axis tilt as much as the rotation.  Trying to keep a higher track with more side roll should be your goal if you elect to make a change. 

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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2013, 12:22:28 PM »
I have a very low axis rotation ( I think you are referring to axis rotation, not tilt )
Yes axis rotation was what I was trying to say. Thanks for the clarification. I just pulled up some youtube videos of PBA on Badger and I see what you mean. From the looks of this, I just need to focus on not swinging the ball from deep inside but more playing a straighter line from a deeper angle. This will take some practice I'm sure but great advice! I was also looking at getting a new ball for the upcoming season and have been torn what to get. I was strongly considering a Hyroad Pearl but was hesitant since my THS is 44' albeit light. But with your advice I may go this route and try using it as an inside ball compared to something like my frantic that loves to be swung out. Thanks for the help!
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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2013, 04:36:53 PM »
Use two hands! j/k.  I have the same problem plus higher ball speed. When I have to play deeper, I try not to push the ball out past 15 and ride that crown of oil to the pocket using a pin up pearl with a little surface (4000 no polish). We can't circle the whole lane by trying to bump the dry.

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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2013, 07:55:41 AM »
Use two hands! j/k.  I have the same problem plus higher ball speed. When I have to play deeper, I try not to push the ball out past 15 and ride that crown of oil to the pocket using a pin up pearl with a little surface (4000 no polish). We can't circle the whole lane by trying to bump the dry.
If it was 15 years ago and I was just learning bowling I probably would try the two handed route...haha But yeah I will try out keeping a really tight straight line and see if I can make a working line that doesn't burn up in 1.5 games like the track does at my house. It doesn't help that most people that bowl in my league us the most aggressive equipment available even though the house barely puts out a medium-light THS most weeks. I see people throw Lucids, Nightmares, Syncs and First Bloods and then they can't understand why they have no shot halfway into the set and are scrambling all over the place to find the pocket. People just assume the best balls are the most aggressive and high end rather than finding ones that actually suit the lane conditions.
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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2013, 08:00:23 AM »
I have the same problem plus higher ball speed.
I also forgot to mention I have fast ball speed as well which also doesn't help me make the corner. My speed is typically 17-18mph at the pins...
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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2013, 09:14:27 AM »
Wow, I guess I'm not alone.  I too struggle getting deep due to low rotation, lower revs, and high speed.

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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 03:10:19 PM »
Good advice from the crowd.  Another alternative might be learning to increase tilt to get the ball to float through the burn a bit better - either hand position (cocked wrist) or finger pitch adjustments with your pro shop operator.  Might be able to hang out in the burn and still score by delaying when the ball tips over.

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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Tilt
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2013, 07:16:14 PM »
I tried my Hyroad pearl on a Badger pattern last night.  In box condition it was too tame, although I started to get a decent fall back reaction after 3 or 4 games.  Badger is really heavy in addition to being long.  I think the pearls can actually work very well on many 40-45 foot patterns.  What kills people on long patterns is that they want to fight the pattern and hook the lane like they would on a house shot. Learn to square up a go more direct.  It is easier with a pearl and your carry will surprise you

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Re: Advice For Playing Deeper Inside with Low Axis Rotation
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2013, 07:56:55 AM »
I tried my Hyroad pearl on a Badger pattern last night.  In box condition it was too tame, although I started to get a decent fall back reaction after 3 or 4 games.  Badger is really heavy in addition to being long.  I think the pearls can actually work very well on many 40-45 foot patterns.  What kills people on long patterns is that they want to fight the pattern and hook the lane like they would on a house shot. Learn to square up a go more direct.  It is easier with a pearl and your carry will surprise you
Thanks for the very specific ball review! Badger is way heavier than my house shot but this gives me a good idea of what to expect from this ball. Good advice on keeping it in tight and not trying to swing it. I think that's where I struggle trying to play deep is from trying to swing it out to the dry as well rather than just letting it wheel through the oil and play straighter to the pocket.
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