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lilpossum1

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Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« on: December 10, 2015, 06:59:00 PM »
Going into an unknown house shot, how do you decide what ball to use, what breakpoint, what area to play the lane, etc? I bowl on a shot where I never know what to expect from night to night. You have probably seen me post about it before, but it is old wood lanes that are oiled with a squirt bottle and a mop because it is easier than picking a machine up onto the approach because of the above ground ball returns. Lanes are stripped completely on Tuesdays and the back 15 or so are stripped on Thursdays. Some nights I wonder how people can throw resin when I am going through the nose throwing highly polished urethane with speed. Other nights, though not yet this year, I couldn't get a 500 grit mastermind to wrinkle. But anyway, what works one night never works the next. How do you decided what to throw? For possible examples, I have a highly polished pitch black, sinister drilled for angle when I have to get inside, forza for a control ball, and a misfit pearl which i had drilled for a dryer lane ball. I know there is the rule of 31, but that doesn't apply here

 

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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2015, 07:10:57 AM »
I always throw the first few shots with my benchmark ball, with that I can see if the lanes are dry or the lanes are oily and make ball selection from there.  Most nights I can just keep throwing the benchmark ball, but some nights are different and you will either have to ball up or down. 
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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2015, 07:47:49 AM »
I'm wondering why you even pay to bowl at that house?  The way they take care of the lanes has been gone for 40 years.

I'd take a polyester ball and it will hook if they are bone dry, and if they are ugly with a week's worth of carry-down you can find a straight line, off the point so to speak, to the pocket without worrying about hook (or not).   Polyester and rubber balls were used when the lanes were "done" that way.

I wouldn't even be tempted to take a ball that cost upwards of $150 to have it ruined on old wood lanes with zero oil, except on the last 20 feet due to carry-down...  I'd seriously take one polyester ball and save the effort of lugging in and out of the car my normal 3 ball bag. 

Sorry to say that there will never be a reactive ball that will work consistently in a place like that because every day will be different, and every lane will be different.  Take "reaction" out of the equation...  A lucky rabbit's foot in your pocket is likely to help more than anything.  Good luck.

 
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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2015, 10:27:06 AM »
What is the condition of the wood lanes?  Have they been resurfaced in the past few years.  A house like this is going to play inside because there will be a track in the finish from about 10 to 17 board.  You are not going to get the kind of reaction that you would on synthetics where a lane machine strips everyday as part of the oiling process. 

We had a house in our area that was the last wood house, and the proprietor used a spray gun.  The surface was so bad that the lane finish was almost gone between 2nd and almost 4th arrow.   However it turned out lots of good averages and award scores, even during the polyester era.  We played fall back at 4th arrow with yellow dots.  My high career series prior to 1986 was 793 playing a yellow dot in this house during a tournament.  One of the house shooters had 6 or 7 career 300's in this house back when that was a lot.

The house you are playing may not be that conducive to scoring, but basically you need to play straighter end over end and look for something inside of 10 board right out of the gate.     

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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2015, 11:16:55 AM »
Sorry if my first post sounded negative.  Behind the tone, I was trying to say "throw everything you do elsewhere out the window" and go with what used to work on that type of environment.  Since reactive stuff responds so quickly to friction and the soft wood surface it's going to be a real crapshoot from lane to lane. 

You're better off playing what the shot allows (not much) with something like polyester that isn't so sensitive to the soft surface and spotty friction. 

avabob has offered some great insight. 

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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2015, 11:44:42 AM »
This house turns out some good games and good averages. It is playable most nights. I just have a hard time deciding if I need to move inside with a ball with more backend or move outside with something really tame, which is what I was asking with my original post. I shot my career high series of 720 this year with highly polished urethane this year, but most of the time polished urethane will not finish well. The lanes were refinished this summer.

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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2015, 10:21:15 AM »
If you have some backend reaction playing out play them there.  If the backends seem tight, or you get early hook, move in and play it like a track shot.  It sounds to me like the stripping regimen is causing you more problem than being on old wood lanes.  On a fresh strip you can play out.  As you get carry down play the track. 

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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2015, 03:24:51 PM »
Define "track" please. I have seen that term a lot, and have an idea what it means, but I would appreciate some clarification

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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2015, 03:40:04 PM »
Define "track" please. I have seen that term a lot, and have an idea what it means, but I would appreciate some clarification

Back in the 60s and 70s, when I bowled on wood lanes, you could walk into a center and see a well-defined dark brown area like a wide line running down the lanes somewhere on the right side.  Not on just re-finished lanes, but on lanes that had a lot of bowling done already.  This brown area was, I believe, the result of the bowling balls breaking/cracking the lacquer/varnish of the lane and allowing lane oil to seep into the wood, staining it.  This 'track' area was where the majority of the bowlers were playing the lane and would usually result in a worn depression on the lane giving you a better chance of getting to the pocket.  Some houses you would see the track area more on the outside and in other houses it might be more inside.  If you were going to an unknown house, you could see the track area and try starting in that area.
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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2015, 05:07:38 PM »
Huh. That is interesting. I have never seen that, but I will definitely try to look for that!

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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2015, 05:34:30 PM »
Huh. That is interesting. I have never seen that, but I will definitely try to look for that!

Typically the "TracK" on a wood lane is considered the area around 2nd arrow, That was because that was the area most bowlers played and it received the most wear creating a depression that helped guide the ball to the pocket.

That's why they had to be resurfaced "Sanded" every few years. Take a look at this article:

A Look at the Dying Craft of Sanding & Finishing Bowling Alleys

http://www.hardwoodfloorsmag.com/sanding-finishing/a-look-at-the-dying-craft-of-sanding-amp-finishing-bowling-alleys.html


Unless the house has some very old wood lanes, looking to see if you can see a "track" is a waste of time.

While Modern synthetic lanes do get wear, they don't get tracked up in that fashion anymore.







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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2015, 06:00:15 PM »
Wood lane houses. Damn, I miss them. I remember at most houses you played off the corner on the 'fresh' oil conditions and you played deep inside as they got drier. The best scoring conditions on wood lanes were the day the bowling alley cleaned the lanes -- the night before their big money/high average league -- and after a bowling alley resurfaced the lanes. A typical area to play on wood lanes was between the 10- and 15-boards. You rarely need more than two bowling balls when bowling on wood lanes.

I would agree with a couple of the previous posts and find yourself a plastic ball, but make sure it's 78 hardness or higher. That would also include most of your old school urethane pieces.
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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2015, 07:28:42 PM »
Simply put, the track is the area of the lane where the majority of the bowlers play.  --  JohnP

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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2015, 08:34:52 PM »
The summer of 2014 I was in Indiana (live in Florida) and bowled at a center that was in the process of switching over from wood to synthetic lanes, but kept four wood lanes in a party room.  I was invited to bowl on the wood lanes for a $1.00 a game.  The lanes had not been oiled in four months.
All my weakest resin balls put on the directional signal and made a huge left hand turn no matter where I stood on the lanes.
Then I picked a plastic house ball out of the rack, stood near the left gutter and aimed for the fourth arrow.  The ball looked like it was going for the ten pin, but then made a big turn to the pocket and struck.  Ended up shooting a couple of 200+ games with the plastic house ball.  There is always a way to conquer the lanes .  You just have to figure it out and you will. 

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Re: Lining up on unknown oil pattern?
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2015, 09:40:49 PM »
I ended up bowling 3 games on one wood lane with two other people tonight, one of them being on the left. Fresh shot, but I am guessing it was a light oil shot. I started out with the forza for a couple frames, but put it away quickly. I pulled out my sinister to try it out because I wanted to create some angle because I knew I would be forced left quickly. I started out half way between second and third arrow and about 8 board at the breakpoint. By the 7th frame of the second game, I was playing fourth arrow to the same breakpoint, but then I got into where the other righty had already played. Ended up throwing urethane 12 board out to 8 with more end over end roll. Anyway, that is one of the rare times I made the right call on ball choices quickly. And that was a house I don't bowl at often.