Author Topic: Local PBA member charged for murdering a 2 year old girl (Read 15613 times)

channel surfer · « **on:** February 01, 2005, 02:26:44 PM »

http://wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=2887442
EDIT: Also added: http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=81479&ran=49013

From what I know, he does almost every southern regional event, and has at least 1 title under his belt.

Guess he wont be getting any more titles anytime soon.
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Strike300 · « **Reply #46 on:** February 03, 2005, 05:59:46 PM »

Wtf alot of people would be hurt or dead including myself if everytime something made me mad I reacted to it in the wrong manner. I'm grown and through the years I've learned self restraint no matter what the situation. Oh yea! The notion of being Innocent Until Proven Guilty is history. Its Guilty Until Proven Innocent. How many of you think O.J. killed his wife? I guarantee the majority of you do. Proven innocent. How many of you think Michael Jackson is sexually abusing those kids? Proven innocent before. Don't get on anyone about jumping to conclusions because we all do it.

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Scolai · « **Reply #47 on:** February 03, 2005, 09:16:59 PM »

Punished if guilty - absolutely.

Put to death as punishment - absolutely not.

It's a good thing Strike300 is not nor will (s)he ever be placed in a position in the judiciary. We'd have kids going to jail for 15 to life for swiping gum from the store. It's a classic case of a knee-jerk emotional reaction without any rational thought put into a statement.

And stop trying to sound like me, Strike300. You look and sound silly.
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Strike300 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 04, 2005, 01:00:20 AM »

He needs death or life in jail. He doesnt deserve to be around another child for the rest of his life.
It's a good thing Strike300 is not nor will (s)he ever be placed in a position in the judiciary. We'd have kids going to jail for 15 to life for swiping gum from the store. Don't speak to soon. I am in college for pre-law. I can take that into law school and become a judge. It's a classic case of a knee-jerk emotional reaction without any rational thought put into a statement. Its way more serious than a knee-jerk reaction. That fool shook a 2 yr. old girl to death.
And stop trying to sound like me, Strike300. You look and sound silly. I dont wanna sound nor look like you.

michelle · « **Reply #49 on:** February 04, 2005, 05:27:22 AM »

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Don't speak to soon. I am in college for pre-law. I can take that into law school and become a judge.

I hope they have explained to you that it doesn't quite work that way and that there are several steps you have missed in your aspirations...

a) pre-law in undergrad doesn't gain you anything
b) law school covers a lot of crap that doesn't do a bit of good in real practice
c) you don't get admitted to the bar and immediately have people willing to vote for you
d) in order to get elected as a judge, there has to be a balancing of interests, and absolutist claims for sanction like you propose don't play with the voting populace
e) you are not going to get one of the appointed positions without prior judicial experience, which brings you back to d)
f) as you spend time in practice, you will find that your beliefs shift back to the middle of the road.

As to f) I can only suggest that you come back after you have been in the legal realm for 18 years or more and tell us whether you still would have viewed this case in the same light. That's right...I've got more time dealing with this crap than some on this board have been roaming the earth.

Scolai · « **Reply #50 on:** February 04, 2005, 05:46:57 AM »

Strike300 - If you can't figure out how to use the

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feature on this site, I have no hopes for you succeeding into the judiciary.

As for your perception of the punishment that should be meted out should Joey be foud guilty, again I must say that I'm glad the accountability standards in American law were not written by you.
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Wylie · « **Reply #51 on:** February 04, 2005, 06:08:11 AM »

I will not rush to judgement on this until the facts are complete. However, why is it that anytime someone has a difference of opinion with Pin-Nut, they are ignorant or the sound stupid or he comes up with some other classless name to call people. Aren't people entitled to there own opinion??? My son, who is now 4, is the world to me. If anyone were to ever hurt him, there is no place on earth that they would ever be safe from me.

I hope the facts come out and prove that Joey was not at fault. However, IF, and I mean IF, anyone (not just Joey) intentionally hurts a child, they should fry! No if ands or buts about it. To harm a child is far worse than doing harm to an adult, especially one of this age. They are still at a stage of learning wrong from right, and it is our job as adults to teach them that. They are far to fragile to defend themselves. That is my opinion, and if you feel a need to call me some dumba55 name for it, feel free.

I am in no way trying to pick a fight with Pin-Nut or anyone else for that matter. I am just saying that everyone is entitled to there own opinion. If you want to debate that opinion, fine, debate it. Just cut out the immature name calling. That is one thing that is wrong with this site. (refer to Bones post about losing good posters)
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omegabowler · « **Reply #52 on:** February 04, 2005, 07:00:29 AM »

the one thing that separates us from the animals other than indoor plumbing is the ability to initiate self control.

since when is it ok to loose your temper and kill everything around you?

that is most bleeding heart liberal thing I have ever heard. this why capitol punishment is a good idea. when people are so self absurd and answer to no power greater than them, they have no fear of consequences. no moral fiber.

They can lash out, do what they want and then, when it comes time to be held accountable they cry for mercy.

I not saying he did it or not but even the idea that it's ok if he did. hate the crime not criminal? Unbelievable! accidents are the kid fell out of the crib because you answered the phone. it's pure and simple hate to shake a kid when they are crying.

now any parent knows that to shake a 2 yr old violently is in excusable. it sickens me to think that people will create a reason for such actions.

if anyone belive that it is ok to beat and kill the helpless under any circumstances I urge to seek some anger management consoling before you act out and do something you will regret. the only way supporting anger as a justification is that you may have some issue that you are defending.

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omegabowler · « **Reply #53 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:13:43 AM »

well the death penalty is a debate in it's own and realy should not been part of my statement. since that leads to discusions further from this thread current discusion.

the problem with your rebuttal is that the death penalty is a sentence made of freewill and removed from anger and is completely a decisive action with premeditation based on judgment.

animals kill for food and protection they don't really have self control in the greater sense of evaluating a life for a life.

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MI 2 AZ · « **Reply #54 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:34:06 AM »

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Are we to assume that you've never lost your temper and done something rash that you later regretted? Sure have. More times than I can count I've gotten pissed off and done something stupid. Get mad, punch something, nearly break a hand...that kind of stupidity. Thats your stupidity at least you took it out on yourself. He was (presumably) angry - either the child wouldn't listen, or was crying, or some other thing a child does - and he (presumably) shook the child too hard. Why in the fock would you shake a child. R people that retarted? As I've said before: Stop talking. It makes you sound ignorant. My mouth my opinion.

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He needs death or life in jail. He doesnt deserve to be around another child for the rest of his life.
It's a good thing Strike300 is not nor will (s)he ever be placed in a position in the judiciary. We'd have kids going to jail for 15 to life for swiping gum from the store. Don't speak to soon. I am in college for pre-law. I can take that into law school and become a judge. It's a classic case of a knee-jerk emotional reaction without any rational thought put into a statement. Its way more serious than a knee-jerk reaction. That fool shook a 2 yr. old girl to death.
And stop trying to sound like me, Strike300. You look and sound silly. I dont wanna sound nor look like you.

It sounds like you are arguing with yourself.

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Scolai · « **Reply #55 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:49:14 AM »

I'll try to respond to each accusation in turn.

Wylie first:

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However, why is it that anytime someone has a difference of opinion with Pin-Nut, they are ignorant or the sound stupid or he comes up with some other classless name to call people. Aren't people entitled to there own opinion???

If you'll re-read what I said, you'll see that I clarified why I called someone an idiot. Calling for the death penalty in this case and suggesting we put people who hurt babies in a dryer until they are dead is idiotic. It shows a degree of thought that defies logic - anyone's logic. It's easy to sit around in condemnation of someone you've never met or talked to. I've met Joey. I've talked with Joey. I've bowled with him, learned with him, and shared the joy of cashing on the PBA with him. I've been out until 2:00 AM with him. I've met the girlfriend/mother and I've seen the child who died. For someone who has never done any of that to say he should be put to death because he lost his temper and took a life is idiotic to the Nth degree. People are certainly entitled to their opinions, but sometimes it's better to keep that opinion to yourself.

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However, IF, and I mean IF, anyone (not just Joey) intentionally hurts a child, they should fry! No if ands or buts about it.

You missed the point entirely. A person who shakes a baby is not intentionally trying to hurt the child. They are having an emotional reaction to a stressful situation. Intent means that you planned to do harm. All a person who shakes a baby usually wants is for the child to listen/be quiet/stop crying/etc. The facts of Joey's case have yet to be revealed; if intent is found (and it won't be), then throw him in prison to punish him for the offense.

Is it wrong to shake a baby? Absolutely. Should someone be charged with a crime if something bad happens as a result of that shaking? Absolutely. Does the response to stress and the resulting action warrant the death penalty? Absolutely not. Put the perpetrator in prison, but the excessively-emotional cries for him to fry are way over the top. And you are part of that ridiculous bandwagon.

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since when is it ok to loose your temper and kill everything around you?

You'll have to locate the quote where someone said it is OK. I didn't say it, and I'm pretty sure no one else is trying to justify the death of a child.

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that is most bleeding heart liberal thing I have ever heard. this why capitol punishment is a good idea. when people are so self absurd and answer to no power greater than them, they have no fear of consequences. no moral fiber.

Since you misquoted the previous threads, I'll just say that your "bleeding hear liberal" comment is now moot. However, since you bring up the 'greater power' idea, I'll respond by reminding you that the Bible has pretty clear-cut statements about the 'capitol [sic] punishment' issue. Read the parts about "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord" and Christ's response to the people who wanted to stone the adultress. If you happen to be alluding to the God of the Bible as your "power greater than them", then your comments are in direct contradiction to what His Son taught.

"Self absurd" - makes me laugh. That would be 'self-absorbed' - stuck on oneself as the all-in-all. Sorry, yours just makes me chuckle.

Most of the rest of your post in unintelligible jibberish except for this:

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now any parent knows that to shake a 2 yr old violently is in excusable. it sickens me to think that people will create a reason for such actions.

Again, I must point out that I am not trying to defend the action of shaking a baby. I am merely trying to understand HOW such a thing could have come to pass. When I realize that I've crossed the line and I'm too angry to continue dealing with my child, I separate myself from the situation so I can avoid doing something regrettable. Any parent who says they've never been so angry with their child that they've had similar feelings is either not honest or the parent of saints.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I have a problem with knee-jerk over-emotional reactions to situations from which the commentator is completely detached. I won't call a name in most cases, but if I see rampant ignorance on the loose, I'm going to call a spade a spade.
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Scolai · « **Reply #56 on:** February 04, 2005, 08:54:17 AM »

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Strike300 said:

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Are we to assume that you've never lost your temper and done something rash that you later regretted? Sure have. More times than I can count I've gotten pissed off and done something stupid. Get mad, punch something, nearly break a hand...that kind of stupidity. Thats your stupidity at least you took it out on yourself. He was (presumably) angry - either the child wouldn't listen, or was crying, or some other thing a child does - and he (presumably) shook the child too hard. Why in the fock would you shake a child. R people that retarted? As I've said before: Stop talking. It makes you sound ignorant. My mouth my opinion.

It's what I said earlier - this poster can't figure out the use of the
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feature. His discussion was with me, though it looks like he's having an argument with an alter-ego (not the ball, BTW).

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He needs death or life in jail. He doesnt deserve to be around another child for the rest of his life.
It's a good thing Strike300 is not nor will (s)he ever be placed in a position in the judiciary. We'd have kids going to jail for 15 to life for swiping gum from the store. Don't speak to soon. I am in college for pre-law. I can take that into law school and become a judge. It's a classic case of a knee-jerk emotional reaction without any rational thought put into a statement. Its way more serious than a knee-jerk reaction. That fool shook a 2 yr. old girl to death.
And stop trying to sound like me, Strike300. You look and sound silly. I dont wanna sound nor look like you.

It sounds like you are arguing with yourself.

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bamaster · « **Reply #57 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:33:44 AM »

Wow, pin-nut, you are truely a piece of work. Your arrogant I'm-right-and-everyone-else-is-wrong drivel is causing some acid reflux reaction over here. Blah, it burns.

I'm glad you made it clear how personally acquainted you are with the murderer. Sounds like someone can't see the trees for the forest. Thanks for bringing up the bible, nice move slick. It's just a matter of time before you quote a republican.

Lawd knows I love this Internet.

omegabowler · « **Reply #58 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:33:46 AM »

well pin nut, All I have to say is wow, how typical. you know what I meant but chose to just harp on a obvoius oversite of just letting the spell check change a word without proof reading it.

also your narrow minded view is obvoius. did I say christian? are you so ignorant to dismiss other relgions and philosphical beliefs the we are accountable for our actions.

inderstanding the reason that it can happen to an emotional outbusrt is not excalty saying that is ok but it is does prove a bias of support.

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Wylie · « **Reply #59 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:36:03 AM »

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People are certainly entitled to their opinions, but sometimes it's better to keep that opinion to yourself.

I agree, and I feel there are times you should take your own advice.

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You missed the point entirely. A person who shakes a baby is not intentionally trying to hurt the child. They are having an emotional reaction to a stressful situation. Intent means that you planned to do harm. All a person who shakes a baby usually wants is for the child to listen/be quiet/stop crying/etc.

That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. An emotional reaction is spanking there butt or yelling or even putting them in timeout. NOT shaking them. There is no excuse for someone shaking a child. PERIOD!

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Does the response to stress and the resulting action warrant the death penalty? Absolutely not. Put the perpetrator in prison, but the excessively-emotional cries for him to fry are way over the top. And you are part of that ridiculous bandwagon.

So is what you are saying here that if your child were killed due to someone shaking them so intensly that it resulted in their death, that you would be ok with them just getting a prison sentence??? Do I think that person deservse the death penalty? Your damn right I do. So if that puts me on your so called "ridiculous bandwagon", I am more than happy to hop on-board and there are probably a lot of others who would too.

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card79 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 04, 2005, 09:43:57 AM »

I started to read this thread and I stoped cause quite honestly it made me want to puke to hear people say haven't you ever gotten mad a punched a wall and junk like that. You know what I have, BUT THAT IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM TRANSLATES TO HURTING A CHILD OR EVEN A WOMAN FOR THAT MATTER. You know what. In my younger days I had a very very short and quick temper and for lose of you here that know me personally that could be very bad and I am ashamed of some of the things that happened in those situations, but I can tell you that I have never hit a child out of anger now I have swated on the butt to get their attention, but you can't do that angry they are defenseless kids they can't protect themselves. I equate your arguement to me saying hey if you guys make me mad it doesn't matter that I played college football and am 6-5 and over 300 pounds if i get angry and hurt you I will tell you I am sorry later. IT IS A SMALL THING CALLED SELF CONTROL. Those of you rationalizing or defending need to get a grip.
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