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MarvinsSkeleton

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Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« on: July 09, 2003, 11:20:15 PM »
While reading the Fort Worth Star Telegram today I saw the following article.  It is an interview with Carolyn Dorin-Ballard.  Just thought I would pass it on for my fellow BR.com readers.  Enjoy.

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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2003, 01:15:14 PM »
I picked up a tournament flyer on Wednesday night at my league.
The grand prize was "win a spot in a regional tournament".
It also said that there is a new rule is that you can cash in ONE tournament without being a member. Nowhere on the flyer did it say it was ONLY limited to men.

Of course, if I couldn't cash without joining, I wouldn't bowl a regional, because their membership form clearly states "male" as one of the requirements. But if I was invited to bowl an event, like Annika was INVITED to play the event she participated in, I'd show up for sure.
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2003, 01:16:19 PM »
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They are totally concerned with the sale of their product. If they saw the watchers/viewers of professional bowling do not earn enough to buy enough of their product to make it worth their while, belief nevers enters into the picture. Demographics rule Madison Avenue.


This is true, but the point I was trying to make was that the opinion of the NASCAR fan 15 years ago is about the same as the opinion of bowlers: a bunch of beer swilling working class slobs.  (Don't anyone get offended now, I'm a bowler and a NASCAR fan, so I'm one of ya'll).  Just saying there has to be some way to market bowling in order to drive up demand for it's product.

Hamster - I can see why you feel that way, but look at it a different way.  Don't think about the man-haters you see and hear on Rikki Lake, insted, think about your Mom (wife, girlfriend, whoever).  If my wife was in the PWBA, and wanted to take on the best in the game, I wouldn't want her to miss out on that opportunity just because of her gender.

As for the women's rights movement going to far, maybe they do.  That's why I think if equality is to ever happen, they will have to realize that if there can no longer be organizations that cater only to men, then there can not be a single organization that caters only to women.  This is a utopian theory, obviously, but it only seems fair to me.

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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2003, 01:54:08 PM »
I think that's what 9 was touching on, Bob.  Average requirements are the fair way to go about it, and in that light, I wouldn't mind.  I'm just so sick of all the bullstuff rants about women being discriminated against, and how women can do things just as well as men can.  When it comes to physical anything, the best men are always going to dominate the best women.  Just like when it comes to raising a family, the best mothers are going to do better than the best fathers.  Of course women think that's offensive to just stick them in a house to cook and clean and raise the kids, but that's the most important job of all.  They're raising the future leaders of our country, how is that offensive?  If you're going to race dogs, which would you choose, a greyhound or a poodle?  It depends on which class of dogs, doesn't it?  Lol, I know that nobody races poodles, but you get my point, right?
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2003, 02:08:42 PM »
Hamster...step back a moment and think about the fact that not every female strives to be happy homemaker.  

The rest of my response would move to the political realm and I'm not going to be the one accused of a thread hi-jack.
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2003, 03:12:20 PM »
Yeah, but not every guy likes the prospect of working a 9-5 Monday through Friday.  Or maybe those kinds of people like professional athletes shouldn't have families.  Too many kids get into trouble when nobody's around to watch them.  But anyway, lol . . .
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2003, 11:20:39 AM »
do you guys realize that the pwba plays all tournAments on a sport shot where the pba shys away frow the sport shot.
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2003, 01:17:42 PM »
Lol, like the PBA patterns aren't hard enough?  They're not exactly wall shots . .
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2003, 09:11:15 PM »
tomtom123, just because the pba's lane patterns are not abc sport compliant that doesn't mean they're easy. the pattern used at the 2002 bpaa us open was one of the toughest ever and it wasn't abc sport compliant. any member of the pwba will have her troubles competing on the pba tour.
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2003, 10:10:22 PM »
I say let her bowl, but IMHO if the shot for the week is meant to be played inside or deep inside she won't stand a chance.  I honestly think though that it would take her a few tournaments of missing the cut or coming in the lower percentile before she began to crack the money barrier.
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2003, 10:36:26 PM »
Hamster, there were those who said that Shirley Muldowney couldn't compete head to head with the men in the Top Fuel category of NHRA Drag Racing.  Well, Shirley shut up the competition by winning the season championship in 1980, 1982, and 1983, besting all of the men driving the fire breathing Top Fuel cars in the season long points chase across those years.

Today, there are those who say that women can't compete head to head with men in the top Professional Bowling categories.  Given a chance, I'm sure that there are at least some women who can put this idea to rest.  Of course, you won't know for sure until they have tried, but I say that the PBA should give 'em a chance to see if they can make the grade needed to compete with the men.
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2003, 06:29:01 PM »
To have a woman compete against a man, especially, on television, would be a huge boost, if not just momentarily, for the sport of bowling.

For the few days before, and for the few days after Annika competed in the PGA, all I heard was Annika this and Annika that.  People were crowded around the televisions in the gym watching her play.  I'm not even a golf fan and I knew what she shot.

I don't think many of you realize how big a deal it actually is for a man and a woman to compete head-to-head and the woman wins.  It is not something you see alot in the world of sports.

Please!  Carolyn Dorin-Ballard(or any PWBA champ for that matter - Michelle Feldman is simply awesome!) vs. WRW or Pistol Pete!!  WHAT TIME?!  WHAT CHANNEL?!

For those of you who wouldn't want to see a match up like that, I'm glad you're not a network programming executive, because half the stuff on T.V. is boring enough!
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2003, 07:16:10 PM »
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It doesn't take ... weighing 275 pounds...

But isnt that, in fact, the average body composition of PWBA bowlers?  
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...a lady who is 5' tall and weighs in at a soaking wet 100 pounds...

When you find a woman on the PWBA tour with that type of body, let me know.

Seriously though, I agree that women must realize that they cannot demand access to men's only organizations and continue to maintain their women's only organizations.

However, if the PWBA dissappears, then I say, let them bowl the PBA.
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2003, 07:17:06 PM »
I think we should look at it from the standpoint that the PWBA as a sanctioning body is likely going to cease to exist.  That leaves a good amount of professional bowlers unemployed, and they happen to be female.

An easy fix to this would be for the PBA, for the upcoming season, to let the top 15 or 20 PWBA National pros eligible to bowl on the PBA Tour.  The rest of the pros could earn their way in through the regional program.  I think that would (1) be cost effective, (2) give bowling and the PBA a good source of publicity and (3) allow them to truly lay claim to the best professional bowlers in the world.  This should cause no headaches, and those that can't measure up can go home knowing they have given it a shot.  And mark my words, there will be ladies that CAN be successful on tour.

This is not that difficult.
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Re: Dorin-Ballard would like to take on men
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2003, 12:53:54 PM »
I'd like to see a skins game like they have in golf.  Something like the best two women bowlers against the best two men bowlers in a 3-game format on a demanding condition.  Maybe even a format on a high-scoring condition just for contrast.
I know they used to have mixed doubles pro competitions in the past and I thought they were entertaining. They have also had senior PBA and PWBA tournaments in the past.  There are a lot of possibilities that could be explored which I think might help market the game to a broader audience.
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