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rcorbitt

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Coaches, please comment
« on: August 11, 2011, 04:14:58 AM »
Recently, I posted on another forum, looking for help with my release. I uploaded several views (front, back, side, release, ball with tape showing pap, etc ...) for the certified coaches to critique. I asked a specific question about how to change the release. ALL the responses I received contained photos of professional bowlers, demonstrating the perfect, modern release.
 
Not one coach discussed how to make a change to my game. I was told to emulate Wes Malott, Chris Barnes, Robert Smith, and Tommy Jones.  (Guys with rev rates averaging over 400 ... I'm about 325-350.) None of these guys match my physique and are at least 10 years younger than me.
 
I'm wondering, is this the normal methodology to coaching now? Are we teaching young bowlers to emulate the styles of just a few to make it easier? Or, did I just happen on three or four guys who could identify my problem, but didn't have a clue how to correct it? BTW - these are all USBC Certified Coaches ...
 
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Re: Coaches, please comment
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2011, 11:15:28 AM »
For the bowler who is seeking to be the best that they can be, finding the right instructor can be a very difficult task. For all other bowlers, finding an instructor isn't a big deal. Almost any instructor with some experience is worth trying, and if you don't seem to mesh with one, try others until you find someone you like.



For the serious bowler even in large cities you may have trouble finding the right instructor, although you should be able to find some instructors who do have a passion to teach. Unfortunately, passion doesn't guarantee skill and knowledge, but it is better than nothing.



If you can't find a instructor who has put in a lot of effort to learning bowling and how to teach it, you may still be able to find a instructor who can improve your game. Consider (carefully)if you think about getting instruction from good a bowler.



However, think long and hard before letting this "good player" try to teach you fundamentals. Remember, tour players take more lessons than anyone. If the best players in the world truly understood  bowling, then they wouldn't need any instruction!





If you're serious about improving your game significantly, your  swing fundamentals will have to improve. For this, you should be willing to make the extra effort of finding the best instructor you can!

 
Edited by Coolerman on 8/12/2011 at 11:14 AM

Dave81644

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Re: Coaches, please comment
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2011, 08:53:15 PM »
FWIW, I also am working on release issues as well (among other things)
I went to 2 coaches around here, 3 if you include Jasnau in Vegas.
Im on my third and he is great, (Steve Richter) drive over an hour each way and won't go to anyone else ever again.
I do see alot of the pros as a comparison during our video review, it shows me how I measure up fundamentally.
IMO, I want a solid fundamental game and then I can proceed to expect progress in the sport game.
been on THS for 25+ years, self taught, old wood lanes gave me some nasty habits that don't work very well on the sport conditions.
 
I would suggest that you read as much as possible, have an open mind going to see a coach and expect to practice weekly if you want to get better.
These guys on here and other sites are mostly trying to help, but its tough to do w/o on lane coaching IMO.
 



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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2011, 07:09:42 AM »
I decided to work with a couple coaches prior to Nationals this year. Mke Jasnau at the stadium and Paul Fleming out of Cowtown Bowling Center in Fort Worth. Mike did you video of PBA members to demonstrate his points. These were not the new generation crankers in my case, but classic bowlers like Brian Voss. Paul worked within the framework of my game and how to take advantage of my equipment, game as applied to the Nationals pattern. We were able to put out the Nationals shot on the pair and work specifically on attack those lanes. Mike actually messed me up a little and cost me the first game at Nationals. My fault for applying changes too far out of the box and actually blew out my back trying to incorporate the changes a week later. The changes Paul had suggested a month earlier had generated a consistent string of plus 200 games and high 6 - low 7 series. My vote right now is on how Paul and I approached things. I have all intention once I recover to going back and working with Paul again. If I choose to work with Mike at the Nationals I am going to keep it within setting up the arsenal for the conditions and recommendend changes as the transistions occur.


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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2011, 09:34:52 PM »
its very easy, u have to know what u want, and go from there

 

the changes u need to do is related to what u wanna be at

 

u wanna average 220 on a house shot is one thing, but if u want 210 on a sport shot, then its a diffenrent thing


When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.