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aussiedave

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Looking for informed recommendation...
« on: February 10, 2012, 05:26:58 AM »
I just got my first PAP measurement done and also bowled at a different center that actually measured your ball speed for you, so armed with this new knowledge I wanted to pick some brains out there for their ball recommendations.
PAP is 4 1/2 Rt and 1" up - ball speed is in the 13 -14 m.p.h range. I bowl semi-roller, right hand.
I am looking for a strong but predictable move to the pocket. 
Looking forward to hearing from y'all on this one, thanks in advance.
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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 01:37:43 PM »
Roto Grip Defiant is a great option. It is priced slightly lower than other top end balls and is a bit more of a controlled arc than the others I've seen.

 

If you want a cheaper option the Gamechanger, Arson, Bandit, Victory Road Solid would all get the job done. None of those are in the same league as the Defiant but they are good options.


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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 01:45:23 PM »
As complete said, Defiant is a good choice. I would also recommend the Marvel.



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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 02:06:22 PM »
Well thnx very much for the quick replies!
Appreciate your input.
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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 02:16:24 PM »
The Defiant is a great ball, but you need oil for it to perform.  What is your rev rate?  Do you bowl on wood or synthetic typically and what's the pattern usually (oil volume, length, house shot, sport shot)?

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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 03:46:23 PM »
We do get oil to bowl on - they condition the lanes about 2 hours prior to our league start.
I am not a big turner of the ball - probably closer to a tweener from what I can ascertain. 
The lanes are synthetic and they usually use a typical house shot pattern, and vary the lengths occasionally.
Those were great questions btw - I should have thought of those before hand. 
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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 07:46:51 AM »
Without knowing more details about your game and ability, I would have difficulty recommending high end equipment.  Your ball speed is a little on the slow side and with no mention of your rev rate how can anyone make a recommendation.

Have your pro-shop operator watch you bowl and get a suggestion from them.  Once you have your information (rev rate, rotation, tilt) then many of the more knowledgeable people here can make some suggestions or you can use this forum as a backboard to see if there is some consistency between your driller and other drillers here.  Ultimately, you want to have a good relationship with the person who is drilling your equipment and hopefully they are staying up to date on the current trends and equipment.  But ultimately, I hope for you they aren't in the business to sell you the newest high end expensive ball just for their own benefit.  For all I know, a Roto Grip Riot is a better option for you than a Defiant.


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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 09:03:42 AM »

 



spmcgivern wrote on 13.02.2012 8:46 AM:
Without knowing more details about your game and ability, I would have difficulty recommending high end equipment.  Your ball speed is a little on the slow side and with no mention of your rev rate how can anyone make a recommendation.

Second that. With lower speed, high end pieces can be VERY touchy and condition-specific, so be warned. If you wnat something versatile, I'd rather go with a symmetrcial mid-range ball, a simple, solid reactive - esp. when you want a "multi-purpose" piece. Such a ball offers you a wider range of utility and margin for error than, say, a nervous and utterly (uber) strong asymmetrical/high mass bias piece. And you save some bucks!

Almost any manufacturer has something in their arsenal that fills this role, and you should think about the conditions you want to use the piece. If you play THS, IMHO something like a Karma Solid or a Solaris Blackout will be "enough". When you know that you play on longer an heavier volumes, you might consider something with a lower RG core, a higher differential and a more aggressive cover (and a coarser surface).


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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2012, 09:29:29 AM »
First thing we should have asked is:  What is your rev rate?  Are you a cranker, stroker, tweener?  That will play ALOT into recommending a ball; especially when you are only at 13-14 mph.  You have no need for a high end ball with that low ball speed, period!  You really do not need anything dull, either.  If you are a stroker type, you could go with something like a Ebonite Elevate.  If you have a higher rev rate, stay lower with something like a Columbia Freeze or Ebonite Cyclone or Storm Tropical Heat Hybrid.

 

Rev rate is the biggest factor we need to know to give you a true recommendation!



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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2012, 11:03:27 AM »
Be careful about using ball speed from the center. Its usually done on the last section of the lane. Your ball speed might be a little higher. A ball can significantly slow down at the end of the lane.

 

There is a calculation for speed by just using a stop watch. Start the timer at foul line (at release) and stop it when the ball hits the pins. Some one probably can provide you with it right now. I don't have my notes on me at this time, but will return later tonight with the number.

 
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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2012, 01:20:43 PM »
 

Hey, you sound a lot like me!  Twohand is right that you'll rarely, if ever, need a really high end bowling ball.  I use pretty exclusively low end or fairly old equipment on every condition I've ever played, and I know I'd never be able to control the top end monsters with my low ball speed (I've tried a couple times and it was UGLY).  I do think you may need something dull (eventually), depending on the volume of oil you plan on bowling on.  Even on a THS if it's heavy, I sometimes go down as far as 500 (but I sand my own stuff, so it's not a big deal).  I think as far as core type, you're probably better off with a symmetrical ball.

 

If you're not bowling on heavy oil, I'd recommend a Brunswick Slingshot drilled strong.  I think it would fit your game rather nicely.



TWOHAND834 wrote on 2/13/2012 10:29 AM:
First thing we should have asked is:  What is your rev rate?  Are you a cranker, stroker, tweener?  That will play ALOT into recommending a ball; especially when you are only at 13-14 mph.  You have no need for a high end ball with that low ball speed, period!  You really do not need anything dull, either.  If you are a stroker type, you could go with something like a Ebonite Elevate.  If you have a higher rev rate, stay lower with something like a Columbia Freeze or Ebonite Cyclone or Storm Tropical Heat Hybrid.


 


Rev rate is the biggest factor we need to know to give you a true recommendation!



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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2012, 04:18:47 PM »
For those who asked - I am an ordinary turner of the ball, nothing special there. Standard semi-roller - don't have a clue as to how many revs that is. Stroker.
I stand wide on 5th dot (left hand side) and put it over the 4th (from right) arrow. I do this to keep it on as much oil as possible.
League av is 167. I am 54. 
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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 04:33:06 PM »
Hey, you sound a lot like me!  Twohand is right that you'll rarely, if ever, need a really high end bowling ball.  I use pretty exclusively low end or fairly old equipment on every condition I've ever played, and I know I'd never be able to control the top end monsters with my low ball speed (I've tried a couple times and it was UGLY).  I do think you may need something dull (eventually), depending on the volume of oil you plan on bowling on.  Even on a THS if it's heavy, I sometimes go down as far as 500 (but I sand my own stuff, so it's not a big deal).  I think as far as core type, you're probably better off with a symmetrical ball.

 

If you're not bowling on heavy oil, I'd recommend a Brunswick Slingshot drilled strong.  I think it would fit your game rather nicely.
 
Nice to meet someone who has similar style!
I thought of the Slingshot, and also am considering the Grape Vibe by Hammer. I wonder if the Vibe would cut hard if drilled aggressively?
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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 05:19:33 PM »
 I think a 900 Global Hook or Wisdom might be good options for you. There are several options for the Hook, but I'd be inclined to recommend the Red/Yellow solid. It's smooth and predictable and pretty easy on the wallet.

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Re: Looking for informed recommendation...
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 05:45:34 PM »
The Defiant is a great ball and I am getting my own drilled up soon.  However, with lower speed, high end stuff can be very touchy.  You may be better off going with something such as the Infinite Theory which is still a stronger piece but cleaner up front than the Defiant.  It will allow you to play most house shots while handling heavier volume if needed.

A lot of the Track stuff is really good as of late.  An option from that brand would be the 607A-SE.  It's got a nice strong core in it and is great on a house shot.  Just like the Infinite Theory, it can allow you to play up to heavier volume when needed. 



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