Post by: 302efi on September 27, 2006, 04:49:11 AM
Should we really b1tch about paying to LOW and price for stuff ?!?!
If someone doesn't want to take advantage of low prices, then don't, more power and less money to you.
I guess we are spoiled in America when we cry about no being charged enough
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on September 27, 2006, 12:57:37 PM
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Post by: kmanestor22 on September 27, 2006, 01:41:31 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on September 27, 2006, 02:51:38 PM
Posted: 9/27/2006 12:49 PM
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Why does some people have a problem with online shops and low prices ?
Should we really b1tch about paying to LOW and price for stuff ?!?!
If someone doesn't want to take advantage of low prices, then don't, more power and less money to you.
I guess we are spoiled in America when we cry about no being charged enough
302efi,
Its not just complaining about LOW prices and stuff.
Most of what has been posted has been to do with the help some have given and then nothing.
Maybe you dont understand what has been posted; There have been some on here that have spent numerous hours chatting, phone calling at their cost to help people here on ballreviews.com with problems they are having with their bowling, or even with some thing in their personal life.
Then when the person is ready to get a new ball what do they do? They go to the person who has a ball for $20-$30 cheaper then the ones who have been helping them all along, this is not just or even meaning Internet Shops, it is also certain other shops.
I know for a fact in two case's where people here spent countless time with a couple of others, in helping them understand the facts about "ball dynamics", and some of the problems they were having, with suggestions for lay out of a ball, and they helped to clear up most of the problems.
What happened, one case the person went with the person selling the ball for $35 less then the one that helped them, the other case almost the same problems and a long and lengthly dicussion about "ball dynamics" covers, weight blocks etc. . This person didnt go the the person who helped them he went to a person about an hours drive away, and saved himself $40.00
Yes I know EVERY ONE likes to save a buck or two, but where does it stop ? I dont really have that answer.
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Also I "think this posting about prices, MAY be just dealing with one person and possibly just in one forum.
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Post by: Rileybowler on September 27, 2006, 03:30:35 PM
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Post by: RealBowler on October 03, 2006, 10:05:58 PM
If you don't think your pro shop deserves the mark up on a ball then don't pay it! My pro shop will tell me what he pays for the ball. I'm smart enough to realize that he has to pay his bills (rent, electric, employee salary) and still be able to eat. If I didn't think he was worth it I would go somewhere else. Likewise, he is also smart enough to realize that if I can save $40 on a high-end ball by buying on-line that I also have bills to pay and need to eat. Either way, I still need to go to him for drilling and other work.
I realize that most of the talk recently is from some shops that are selling and also providing drilling services. I for one do not believe that I can ship a ball to somebody and they will be able to duplicate it exactly. Even with thumb molds I still always need to have some sort of adjustment made. I also know that not every insert feels the same, even different colors from the same manufacturer feel different.
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Post by: Troyboy on October 03, 2006, 10:29:13 PM
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Post by: pro shop guy on October 03, 2006, 10:48:08 PM
Post by: Mike Austin on October 04, 2006, 01:02:38 AM
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Also I do not think people realize that Online Stores do take a lot of time with a customer researching a Ball and getting advice on here froms someone. Online stores ARE Businesses. They are businesses just like Pro Shops. People like me that have both don't complain either way. There is 1 distributor that will not deal with Online shops. I think that is wrong. They will just continue to lose money. I think Pro Shops and Online Shops can work. They both help the Bowlers. Online is just easier because you can get advice and research 24/7.
Online stores do NOT take time researching for customers. Maybe you do, but you are not a high volume online store. I know what kind of volume Bowlersparadise, Bowling.com, Buddies, and the like are running. There is no possible way that they can take time with each customer. 2-300 orders a day, impossible and still make money.
That is one of the advantages of buying online, you can do it at 3:00 AM in your underwear. In order to play email tag with an online site, you are wasting time going back and forth. A good pro shop operator can help you pick the correct ball, but his personal expertise costs money.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on October 04, 2006, 01:07:43 PM
They don't provide you what you really want! The total package.
ie...shopping in Walmart...frustrating?
Buying a ball from an internet seller and taking it to your ball guy to drill and get advice on...frustrating.
Like taking parts to your mechanic that you bought somewhere else and expecting him to install them...well...timely and cheap. Not gonna happen.
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Post by: NateNice on October 04, 2006, 01:30:53 PM
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I think your overreacting there a bit, i have bought online for the last 3 years, the only ball i didn't like was from a proshop and their recommendation and I didn't care for it, so by that logic I guess i could say pro shop guys don't know what their talking about.
No he is not overreacting. he is dead on right. Half the time that people buy a ball online, they'll bring the 1-2 inch pin they got stuck with on Scorchin Inferno, and ask for the ball to "go really far and just snap and hook alot."
There are a few educated people who know how to purhcase a ball online, most of which probably spend their time here.
And Mike Austin is dead on right.
Troy, you are right, in your own case. The problem most people can not charge that.
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I DISAGREE WITH YOUR MESSED UP LOGIC AGAIN LANE1 WHO! IF PROSHOPS WERE AS GOOD AS THEY SAY THEY WOULDN'T BE LOSING BUSINESS
That's not true. The fact is most people have no idea what they're doing when the buy a bowling ball. They don't know what a different sized pin means. Many don't undersatnd how a coverstock will react on their typical lanes. Most people who buy balls are iggnorant of many things about them. They see price and price only. They don't factor in drilling costs, etc.
When they go to a shop not only are they buying a ball but buying the service of an expert suggesting things to them based on their game.
Not for everyone, but more important for most people than they think.
Post by: Brickguy221 on October 04, 2006, 01:39:37 PM
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The proshop I prefer to go to has never complained about me buying balls online, and has never tried to charge me extra to set it up either. They know I come there because the service is good.
Multilated, my Pro Shop is that way also. Although I try to buy from my Pro Shop when I can, there has been 3 recent occassions where I was forced to buy on line and a 4th occassion where I obtained a NIB ball in a trade. I discussed this with my Pro Shop prior to making these recent purchases and he said "NO Problem", bring em in and I will drill them for you. He said he gives the same care, time and service (of which he really does) to his customers regardless of whether they buy the ball from him or bring in a ball bought elsewhere. He said it is still income and it beats not drilling a ball at all. Drilling price is the same whether a customer buys the ball from him or brings in a ball purchased elsewhere.
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Post by: CHawk15 on October 04, 2006, 03:07:52 PM
Post by: JohnP on October 04, 2006, 03:41:18 PM
Post by: stone8 on October 04, 2006, 04:08:42 PM
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Post by: Noy on October 04, 2006, 04:33:42 PM
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I won't buy from an online store because they just ask for the weight and name of the ball you want. They don't let the customer specify pin to CG distance or top weight. So as a result, alot of times the bowler doesn't match up to the ball correctly. If you've have had good luck buying balls online, good for you but I never will. I'd rather go to a pro shop operator and be able to specify pin-CG distance, etc.
Allstarbowling.com
Buddiesproshop.com
Bowling.com
Have you checked any of those lately? They ask for both pin distance and top weight.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on October 04, 2006, 04:45:20 PM
I cannot be price competitive for the locals so why bother? I have chosen a venue they cannot get anywhere else....used balls that they can have in their hand that night.
Everybody has to find something....
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