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janderson

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Was the THS fated to be?
« on: May 25, 2005, 07:01:57 AM »
While eating a very good beef stew for lunch today, I came to a startling realization.  Startling not just because of the crux of the matter but also startling in the fact that I never thought of this before.

Was the invention of handicap leagues the precursor to today's typical house shot (THS)?  The purpose of handicap leagues is to even out the playing field so that bowlers of different skill levels can compete on a more levelled playing field.  The THS in most of today's bowling center does the same thing, it allows bowlers of lesser skill to use the free hook and free hold areas to score on a more level basis with players better able to repeat shots.  The same can be said of modern equipment.  Now even the rev-challenged bowlers can generate a big hook.

If you believe as I do that today's average lane conditions are the primary reason for the decline of the sport (not the game) of bowling, did we first go wrong by implementing the handicap system?  Is today's THS not enough of a handicap for most leagues?
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Re: Was the THS fated to be?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2005, 03:44:42 PM »
I agree with Bob.

The THS has actually spread the difference in pins.

The bowler who averaged 160 30 years ago averages 175 to 180 today.

The 190 average now averages 215.

The 205 average now averages 235.

Those who have the skills are best able to exploit the shot and have gotten the biggest boost.

The biggest difference is in the scoring volatility. You virtually never saw a 160 average bowler bowl 230+ you just couldn’t do it on lucky carries back then. But today you’ll see that 160 averages suddenly match up and carry and shoot 250+ for a game or even be +150 over average for a series. This is how the 850+ handicap scores show up in handicap tournaments.  

janderson

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Re: Was the THS fated to be?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2005, 04:32:36 PM »
I agree that the range of scores, overall, has widened, but the vast bulk of bowlers are not on the extreme ends of the scoring scale.

Specifically in the 190-210 average range, I would argue that we have more bowlers than ever.
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Re: Was the THS fated to be?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2005, 07:09:41 PM »
I don't know much about bowling, back then!

When I was 11 I bowled in a center where the high average was 195, rubber balls and the pins didn't carry good, I was averaging 170.  It seemed very easy to hit the pocket.  Carry wasn't so good.

When I was 28 I bought a yellow dot and averaged 192 the second half of the season with a new hand for me... my left one...injury necessated.  It was easy to hit the pocket every time I went to league without practice.   I could throw 12 mph and play straight up 10 and never practice...carry was real good.

Now I have many balls, have one house I really can't find the pocket every day and never know if I will have a turkey that day or not and average about 40 pins behind the high righty.  Another center I can't miss the pocket and carry some days and not others was almost high lefty in the center amongst a bunch of top state competitors(handicap).  And a third center I'm averaging about 229 in about 30 practice games two balls always.  I call today's carry usually good, today's lanes....variable.

Easier game today?????

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Re: Was the THS fated to be?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2005, 08:07:22 PM »
Bones,
 I agree---and disagree---lol.
 I agree in that the last several champions of one of the leagues I bowl in have been men who aren't the best technical bowlers,yet bowled well enough over the course of the year to get into the rolloffs and win the Cup. A combination of handicap,bowling over average, and the better bowlers having a bad night.
 At the same time,the better bowler will eventually come out ahead in the personal awards category---high average,high game,high series,etc. You hit the nail on the head with your observation of being able to repeat shots and make the spares that the 160 average bowler will miss. I've seen it---and been victim of it---lol.
 However,if not for the implementation of handicap I'm not sure that bowling would be where it is, albeit we are in trouble with the current state of affairs.
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Re: Was the THS fated to be?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2005, 10:58:52 AM »
My bigger problem is that the 200 average bowler of today equates himself with the 200 average bowlers of 30 years ago. They want the same respect that was given to the bowler in that era when in reality their skills are no different than the 170 to 180 average at that time.

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Re: Was the THS fated to be?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2005, 11:10:24 AM »
Thanks for responding, everyone.  Maybe it just seems like we're trying to level the playing field.  The typical house shot "china" can also be called "bumper bowling for adults".  My thoughts on levelling the playing field sprang from personal experiences.  Here's an example.

There was a gentlemen (I'll call him "Bob") I bowled against the last couple of years.  While its true that Bob never quite kept up with me in average during the adult bumper bowling sessions, he was usually within about 10 pins.  Last year we both bowled the ABC nationals tournament which is (for many reasons) in my opinion a fair condition, but generally more difficult than the THS on which Bob I and bowled league.  That 10 pin gap tripled.

This year, Bob subbed in one of my leagues.  This league competed in a house with a broken lane machine that wasn't fixed until mid-January.  The broken lane machine resulted in conditions more difficult than the THS.  The 10 pin gap was doubled.  When the lane machine was fixed, the 10 pin gap re-established itself from that point forward in the season.  There are other places and conditions in/on which Bob and I have competed with similar results.

So, while its true that I score higher than Bob on every condition we've encountered, it certainly feels like those bumpers give him the best chance of keeping up with me (on edit: which doesn't bother me.  Bumper bowling is bumper bowling, I know and understand that.)
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Edited on 5/26/2005 11:08 AM

janderson

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Re: Was the THS fated to be?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2005, 11:14:51 AM »
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People love to point to the guy averaging 220 on a house wall who can't crack 190 on a tough condition as evidence of the flaws in his game.  It is true he does have flaws.  However are those flaws any bigger than the flaws of the guy who can't average 210 on a house wall.  If I can out average you 190-180 on a brickyard, but you can out average me 220-210 on a wall, who is better?  We all have our biases, and the answer to that question probably is an indication of where your bias is.


I agree with both of you on this point as well.  In the above example, on the non-THS conditions, my average was lower as well, just not as much lower as Bob's.

And its true that you simply can't ignore each bowler's biases.  Maybe my example can simply be explained by saying that I'm not a very good bumper bowler , or at least not as good a bumper bowler as Bob.  However, I think you can extend and see the same example over enough different bowlers and combinations of bowlers and get similar results.
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Re: Was the THS fated to be?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2005, 12:32:09 PM »
THe condition at nationals and World Team challenge shots is just what it is...
A different game.

The goal to embarass the uninitiated.

A point i noted is on the Columbia Website I saw a guy was leading the ABC at some point.  He went and used a ball there to lead that he ONLY used there.

He understood the common shot.  He stated he never used this equipment at home.
Smart.

Other people I know who are decent bowlers (woman over 190) go there with their high flare equipment (from league) and average around 160!  When I asked them if they take equipment that is weaker than what works in league they state they want to challenge themselves and if it's good enough to work in league it's good enough to work at nationals.  IMHO....Dumb.

But it seems to restore their faith in the integrity of the game.  Great but Idiotic!

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LUckylefty
PS I have never heard a person say that if they average 200 today they are as good as 200 in the past.  If they did....Dumb.  EVERYONE knows that 200 today equals about 178 with rubber balls and harder to knock down pins.  Is that what all this "Bowling Integrity" bashing is about and why the UCBA is passing all this stuff?  Dumb!
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Re: Was the THS fated to be?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2005, 01:57:37 PM »
quote:
A point i noted is on the Columbia Website I saw a guy was leading the ABC at some point.  He went and used a ball there to lead that he ONLY used there.

He understood the common shot.  He stated he never used this equipment at home.
Smart.


Guilty.  I even purchased and drilled a ball specifically for the ABC nationals pattern this year.  It should also work well on PBA pattern C (on most surfaces) but won't be worth much on the vast majority of house shots.

Bob - great points, but unless you've spent the time as a tournament (not necessarily PBA) bowler, you won't understand just how varied and how challenging conditions can be when you're travelling all over the place.  Score always has been and always will be relative.
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